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Originally posted by Spam If there was a party that was social-liberal and fiscal-conservative, I'd have my no-questions-asked party of choice.

You and every single other person in this country

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I was raised to think for myself, so I don't agree with liberals or conservatives.

Unfortunately, we have a two-party system, and one of the parties is the republican party. It might as well be a dictatorship for all the choice that leaves me. =\

The ethics vs. morals dichotomy is the most interesting element of that chart. I'd never thought of it that way, but it is a provocative way of looking at the divide.

Universalistic v. Particularistic is a comparison I might add.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov The ethics vs. morals dichotomy is the most interesting element of that chart. I'd never thought of it that way, but it is a provocative way of looking at the divide.

Agreed, there are a couple of nice little things in there, but the fact that libertarians do not really fit into the 'right' side of the figure shows it's not really a good fit.

No mention of the environment either, even though it's highly relevant to politics.

The family thing is a little too dichotomous. Very few children have an all 'strict' household or an all 'nurturing' household. I suspect the author drew these from Lakoff, who used the 'strict' and 'nurturing' families as metaphor for the two sides of US politics.

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Why isn't the left blue and the right red?

Outside the US, blue has been associated with economic liberalism, and red is associated with socialism and Marxism more generally.

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Originally posted by ******** clearly written for the right wingers.

Left not commie enough for you?

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Originally posted by ******** no there are rhetorical jabs at the left in the thing. I'll point them out if you can't see them. The language actually makes fun of the left.

It takes jabs at both sides of the spectrum. I think that's the point. I found that it doesn't really take cheap-shots at either side though, but it is a bit of an over-generalization.

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Originally posted by Arbiter I was raised to think for myself, so I don't agree with liberals or conservatives. Unfortunately, we have a two-party system, and one of the parties is the republican party. It might as well be a dictatorship for all the choice that leaves me. =\

That's the thing I find odd about American politics. We've got dozens of different parties here in Brazil, and no two of them can outshine the rest.

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Originally posted by Lira That's the thing I find odd about American politics. We've got dozens of different parties here in Brazil, and no two of them can outshine the rest.

At this point, political parties create people's views more than they respond to them, which makes it basically impossible for any other party to emerge. It would take a truly massive investment to successfully introduce a third party, and anyone with those kinds of resources can just become a powerful figure in one of the existing parties for much less.

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Originally posted by Arbiter At this point, political parties create people's views more than they respond to them, which makes it basically impossible for any other party to emerge. It would take a truly massive investment to successfully introduce a third party, and anyone with those kinds of resources can just become a powerful figure in one of the existing parties for much less.

Enter Sarah Palin.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/...an-in-ny-23.php

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Originally posted by ziptnf Why isn't the left blue and the right red?

I'll just assume you are kidding

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Originally posted by ziptnf Other than that, it's pretty accurate. I don't see why the conservative side is so attractive to some.

Well this looks quite american focused despite being uk based (which is good).

I think the right is more libertarian/neo con. Conservatism is quite different in the uk.

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Both interfere with society. I fail to see how Communism interferes with social lives though (and if anyone references any stalinist regimes you're an idiot).

ALSO. It shouldn't be don't tax and spend on the right. Should be tax minimally and don't spend on services (the right is almost always for additional spending on military/police).

Also if the left get's Utopianism then the right should get an equally negative term to describe itself, rather than just "preservatism". Perhaps reactionaryism?

And as for parties, conservative should perhaps be (neo) conservative and nationalist is a bit vague. Perhaps nationalist/libertarian?

Also liberal isn't a uniquely left idea. Libertarians or neo liberals can be quite "liberal" with aggressive de regulation etc. I guess it's sortof hard to stick libertarians and conservatives together, but this does the job reasonably well.

Also the middle of Society and culture should be Internationalist. Multi cultural is a bit vague, anti nationalism (or internationalism) can be against more than the holding up of the national culture.

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Originally posted by Max Thomson hogwash, the left right paradigm is nonexistent, just a distraction to keep you guessing while you get robbed blind by the top 1%

Since when have the genuine left been interested in doing that?

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