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Originally posted by Subtle Although, i can understand the suspicion as it seems like they did not sign the original track.

Right, that was exactly my point. A respectable and well-managed label is generally going to sign the track before talking about remixes. If remixes are a requirement for release then that will be written into the contract.

It's not so much about the money as it is ensuring that you get credited for your own hard work.

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tell them that you are extremely interested and can proceed with the digital transfer as soon as a agreement has been signed.

Be direct, You aren't being rude. If they are interested, they are interested. If they don't want an agreement, they most likely don't care, they aren't going to push your music and odds are they will just rip your track.

Being a push over will not get you anywhere.

right well i told them id only send them over if a written agreement can be made.

fingers crossed...but like you said, they should of said that from the start, so im guessing their just trying to pull a fast 1.

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Originally posted by Subtle Who cares, music doesnt sell shit anyways.. people should stop acting like their music is something special (omg i have to make sure someone doesnt abuse my music or make profit of it) If someone wants to remix your track, send them the parts and see what happens. Although, i can understand the suspicion as it seems like they did not sign the original track.

To me it's not about the money. It's about getting credit for my songs. You don't make money off releases, you make money off bookings, etc. What if the label gets all the stems, than they make their own track off it without crediting Monkeylover? They just ripped him off and that would suck.

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Originally posted by themonkeylover so im guessing their just trying to pull a fast 1.

They are all out to get you.

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Originally posted by themonkeylover right well i told them id only send them over if a written agreement can be made. fingers crossed...but like you said, they should of said that from the start, so im guessing their just trying to pull a fast 1.

when talking with labels, wording is important. Do not phrase it like an ultimatum. Make it sound positive.

Instead of saying, I will only send it if you do this, which comes off as a threat
saying something like " I will send the tracks as soon as the paper work is complete" .

it gives them no room to beat around the bush. It won't upset them and it makes you look confident and in control. You have to be careful because you are not known and cannot demand a quota. You just have to be firm , respectful and do not ever think that you don't deserve something for your music. It might not be alot but i think it is a matter of principle.
It won't be your last opportunity and although you might feel like this is your big break, it most likely isn't.

I think communication is key. If they still dodge the question. Ask them straight up why they are uncomfortable discussing this component of the deal. Always let them know that you are extremely excited and can't wait to do business but the agreement is very important to you. Nobody will find that offensive. Having a backbone will most likely make you more professional in their eyes and they will treat you as such.

An agreement doesn't have to be exclusively about money. Just ensuring that you are credited for your work can be the entire nature of the agreement. Now if they refuse that, I just don't see any positive outcome for you. You won't get money, you wont get exposure and you haven't developed a relationship with the label because they will have labelled you a tool that will do anything to be on a label. They will continue to treat you that way.

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Originally posted by DjWoody To me it's not about the money. It's about getting credit for my songs. You don't make money off releases, you make money off bookings, etc. What if the label gets all the stems, than they make their own track off it without crediting Monkeylover? They just ripped him off and that would suck.

yeah defo its never been about the cash 1 bit. for me its all about feeling proud about getting a track released and knowing that ppl are liking my productions

i remember 2 years ago when i sent a track off which i thought (at the time) was amazing. but listening to it now everything was wrong with it...the labals i sent it to also told me it was pants, but they gave me some construtive feedback.

now ive sent my latest tracks to the same labels, a few have got back saying they like the stuff...but for 1 now trying to blag me has really put a downer on things.

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Originally posted by RichieV An agreement doesn't have to be exclusively about money.

thanks for the info, think im going to bookmark this page : )

yeah its not about the cash, they can keep 100% of whatever it makes if it comes down to it, i just want ppl to know its my work, that all.

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Originally posted by themonkeylover now ive sent my latest tracks to the same labels, a few have got back saying they like the stuff...but for 1 now trying to blag me has really put a downer on things.

i've had awful experience which was part of the reason I stopped making EDM.

1 : I had a track on tiesto's playlist for 3 weeks which apparently made it way to him via a label I had sent the track to. In the playlist , it was marked as promo. After a week or so, the internet decided that it was by some dj viper or something similar. I just realized how futile it was to say anything. I lived in Alberta at the time and even I realized how stupid it would sound if some redneck from western canada claimed he made the trance track.

2: After sending a promo package to tunnel trance, the guy , I can't remember his name, I think it was marcel , said he liked the tracks and wanted me to do some remixes for him. I was young and ambitious so he sent a track and I made a hard trance remix. He said he liked it but he wanted a more melodic version so I went back redid it and sent it back. I normally take a month to make a track but I did those 2 in 4 days. I barely slept.

After a week, he decides that dj dean just isn't interested. Anyways a few years later, I finally hear the released version and their remixes, they didn't use the track but alot of the core components like specific synth sounds and the way they were arranged were ripped.

Again It sucked because I did not get credit and there is nothing you can do or say. People will usually assume the guy claiming the song is his is out for money and attention.

just release everything yourself. its not at all much work and you dont have to sign lame contracts. and u keep all rights yourself. and u get 10 times the % (and 1/10th of the sales though but who cares).

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Originally posted by RichieV i've had awful experience which was part of the reason I stopped making EDM. Again It sucked because I did not get credit and there is nothing you can do or say. People will usually assume the guy claiming the song is his is out for money and attention.

thats a big shitta mate. its a ****** that you put the hard work in, get to a standard of making tunes thats ready for release, then they sucker punch you right in the meat & 2 veg!