learn an instrument, guitar, piano, whatever

if you want to learn how to engineer and record, then taking some courses isn't abad idea. Unlike theory or learning an instrument, engineering requires facilities which most people can't afford. You can't learn how to record a band at home if you don't have a recording space and microphones while there are literally hundreds of books concerning music theory.

I would talk to an actual studio and offer to pay to hang around , watch and learn. Most studios are scraping by that i am confident, if you approach them and suggest the idea ( and you aren't some annoying twat ) they will let you hang around and watch and ask questions.

Most schools are just so damn expensive and they teach at the lowest common denominator level.

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Originally posted by Nightshift why's that sad? they go hand-in-hand and inspire each other when dealing with EDM. Its kinda like photography and photoshop. A photographer doesnt need to learn photoshop and a photoshop-ist doesnt need to learn photography. They don't need each other but they pretty much go hand-in-hand and inspire each other.

It's sad because the inability for the normal every day producer to make money has driven everyone to be a dj. Vice versa applies as well. A dj that produces to try and get exposure to his dj'ing.

This naturally creates an environment where many producers shouldn't be dj'ing and many dj's shouldn't be producing; but because of the economic environment and the overkill of numbers in both areas, people continue to.

Ideally people would only do what they love and/or are truly talented at. It just irritates me that most of the producers I find exceptional suck at dj'ing and most of the dj's I find exceptional suck at producing (or outsource their material).

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 It's sad because the inability for the normal every day producer to make money has driven everyone to be a dj. Vice versa applies as well. A dj that produces to try and get exposure to his dj'ing. This naturally creates an environment where many producers shouldn't be dj'ing and many dj's shouldn't be producing; but because of the economic environment and the overkill of numbers in both areas, people continue to. Ideally people would only do what they love and/or are truly talented at. It just irritates me that most of the producers I find exceptional suck at dj'ing and most of the dj's I find exceptional suck at producing (or outsource their material).

+1 i see where you're comin from now and i agree.

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Originally posted by meriter Your primary focus should be making good music. That's all. No one gives a shit how you do it. And the people that do are fags.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 It's sad because the inability for the normal every day producer to make money has driven everyone to be a dj. Vice versa applies as well. A dj that produces to try and get exposure to his dj'ing. This naturally creates an environment where many producers shouldn't be dj'ing and many dj's shouldn't be producing; but because of the economic environment and the overkill of numbers in both areas, people continue to. Ideally people would only do what they love and/or are truly talented at. It just irritates me that most of the producers I find exceptional suck at dj'ing and most of the dj's I find exceptional suck at producing (or outsource their material).

QFT.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 It's sad because the inability for the normal every day producer to make money has driven everyone to be a dj. Vice versa applies as well. A dj that produces to try and get exposure to his dj'ing. This naturally creates an environment where many producers shouldn't be dj'ing and many dj's shouldn't be producing; but because of the economic environment and the overkill of numbers in both areas, people continue to. Ideally people would only do what they love and/or are truly talented at. It just irritates me that most of the producers I find exceptional suck at dj'ing and most of the dj's I find exceptional suck at producing (or outsource their material).

QFT again!

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Originally posted by ******** does a bitch taking blowjob and kama sutra lessons benifit if she only plans on carnal application as a hobby? Its your money man I've probably laid down a couple thousand dollars on music courses and I'm not sure if except for providing the schools music program with a little bit of money has occured. What do you want to spend your money on? Hell if I had a few thousand dollars extra right now I'd be much more likely to be spending a month in latin america instead of waiting for late december to roll around. I got a better idea.. you pay me, and I'll teach you what I learned.

its a deal.

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Originally posted by ******** does a bitch taking blowjob and kama sutra lessons benifit if she only plans on carnal application as a hobby?

this benefits all of humanity

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Understanding the fundamentals of audio are important. You don't need to go to a fancy audio engineering school and pay off student loans for the next five years. Take one or two classes, either in sound design, music production, and engineering -- they are all essential in this field of music and really are all intertwined. A class that combines the three is the best option.

Apply the knowledge you learn, offer to work at a recording studio (for free if need be), work at a Pro Audio store. But really it comes down to studio time and dedication. I have friends who went to producing schools and are not doing much with what they learned and friends who sat in their studios and self-taught themselves, are super active production-wise and have records out on Juno and Beatport (although the latter can be a longer path). So, often it comes down to the individual and motivating factors.

Education can never hurt, only help. And for some people (myself included), it gives you deadlines which forces you to apply what you are learning, helps you improve faster with objective critiques and reviews from the class. The same thing can be accomplished on message boards as well.

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Last edited by refuge on Nov-18-2009 at 13:46

Being an audio engineer doesn't automatically make you a producer.

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