First of all who the fuck are u to come in here and start telling people that there songs sound plain...
Who gives a damn if u use a preset in a track if it sounds good and works
obviously your just trying to wind people up or your just a knob
armin uses presets I've seen a interview when he admits it... Would you call the worlds number one Dj in the world non musical and uncreative.. Doubtful
run back to ur hole and stop trolling

and I'm sure the reason u don't want to show your music is because maybe your the uncreative one?

Thoughts??

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Originally posted by johncannons1 [...] obviously your just trying to wind people up [..] run back to ur hole and stop trolling [..] Thoughts??

Seems like he's succeeding.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles So if you don't want to post your own music: What electronic artists (present or past) do you think show a high level of creativity and sounds that don't sound like FL studio presets? Curious what you are using as standards of comparison.

a couple of artists id say have thought out of the box in terms of sounds and styles:

1. M.I.K.E on his production of YDR's 'Feel Free'. even now, it doesnt sound cliche of the time. That was thinking out of the box when they decided to apply an automated volume on the main lead.

2. Stuart Price on his rmx of lady gaga's 'paparazzi'. the vocal work he has done is amazing. its original artistically and technically.

3. schossow is making the most out of what ever gear he is using. 'beast' for example. i had not heared many a track with such unnatural sounds sounding so organic and human until i heared this.

4. Mark Broom 'Twenty Nine' - mark broom may well be the current 'go to' for all these boring and lifeless wannabe superstar dj's with soundcloud accounts, but listen closely and you hear a real artisticly talented man at work.

5. Stephen Bodzin 'io' - need i say more?

all these tracks stand out and shout out the sheer musicality and originality that lurks within the minds of the musicians that wrote them.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE i suppose im sour because im an artistic thinker who requires a bit more gear than i can afford (being artistic and a bit deep means i struggle to stick with a dead end job like office work).

What sort of gear do you require? If so, what are you basing your requirements on - the way the gear sounds? If you happened to acquire this gear, let's say a Virus (I have no idea what kind of gear you're after), would you then make it sound totally unlike a Virus? Why not just make a VST synth sound totally unlike itself and save yourself the money? If you're sick of people getting 'Virus sounds' out of Viruses, why would you want one?

(it's interesting that in the same paragraph you say "can you honestly say that you really make the most of all that gear you got, and that you wouldnt make just as much progress with a midi controller and a copy of reason?") - on the one hand, you "require a bit more gear", on the other people should just use a midi controller and Reason - which is it?

It seems like you're frustrated, and unfortunately that is leading you into massive generalisations which won't help your state of mind one bit:

"why are there so many gear heads here, and so little musicians?"

"the majority of people who can afford the type of gear i require tend to be the types who are unartistic, non musical people who are more of the mindset to fit right in working for an insurance broker or telesales firms"

Realise that these are only your opinions. This is your truth, not "the" truth.

Don't expect that because you believe that you are an amazing musician that things will be handed to you. There's nothing wrong with believing that you're an amazing musician (on the contrary, it could be very helpful for inspiring you to get in the studio to make music), but if you truly love music and want to bring yours to the world, then do whatever it takes to make that happen. Not many people want to do office work - there are millions of musicians out there who don't love their office jobs, same as you. But a lot of them do use the money they earn to improve their studios, and do use their evenings and weekends to create beautiful music. They realise it's a long journey and commit themselves to it.

Is there much chance of someone recognising your brilliance, providing you with a top of the line music studio and plenty of money so you don't have to work in your office job anymore? If not, there are a few options - you could keep at it so that the money can support your musical interests, so that you can bring your music to the world. Or you could go on an internet forum of your peers and have a big rant about the world. I'm hoping you decide to focus on your music rather than on things you can't control.

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i think if i had the money id just blow it all on a very large monitoring system so i could hear whats going on in my mixes. im happy with my old pc,and a legit copy of logic in terms of editing, arranging, recording and sequencing.

my original post may have been harsh towards some people, but its always good to ruffle a few feathers and say stuff that quite blatantly others think to themselves and never think to say it out of being too polite. i am disgruntled and bitter. and often it takes a grumpy old man to say stuff like this. shame most grumpy bastards tend to be pidgeon holed into the failure / loser category by the happy go lucky numb nuts who fit in so well in our boring modern society.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE a couple of artists id say have thought out of the box in terms of sounds and styles: 1. M.I.K.E on his production of YDR's 'Feel Free'. 2. Stuart Price on his rmx of lady gaga's 'paparazzi'. 3. schossow 4. Mark Broom 'Twenty Nine' - 5. Stephen Bodzin 'io' - need i say more? all these tracks stand out and shout out the sheer musicality and originality that lurks within the minds of the musicians that wrote them.

Sorry, but that's one of the funniest things I've read around in here in quite some time. Using trance/EDM producers/DJs as your benchmark for musicality and originality is quite hilarious really. No offense to my fellow tranceheads, but if you want sheer musicality and originality, you'll be hard-pressed to find it in trance/EDM, which is highly formulaic and repetitive by design and leaves relatively little room for creativity, performance, expression, etc. compared to most genres. Look around a little and you'll see that it's a widespread problem for many newbie trance producers like yourself to think that they are creating something completely new, when in fact, the vast majority of EDM producers are just following the same old tried-and-true formulas that everyone else is following. That's not to say that there aren't some true pioneers out there in EDM, but you aren't one of them, so get off your high horse already and quit crying about what other people are doing with their time and money. How's that for ruffling some feathers?

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Man, I totally agree with you about so many generic sounds out there and lots of people not making enough of their gear, but this stuff about your job and not fitting into "boring modern society" just comes off as whiny. I consider myself a person with a lot of artistic ambition and someone who tries to avoid using cliched sounds and styles, too, and yeah I am sometimes disappointed I can't do music all the time rather than getting a boring regular job, but I try not to get too huffy about it.

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Originally posted by johncannons1 and I'm sure the reason u don't want to show your music is because maybe your the uncreative one? Thoughts??

As evidenced by his user name? I'm surprised he didn't put "DJ" in front of it for uber-originality!

- just giving you a hard time, Moose - I consider you family now.

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im not upset in the slightest. i understand the ways of Trance-Addict- its a dry place, full of clued up people and lots of easily upset people.

I could suggest a lot more ground breaking artists out of the dance genre, but thought it wise to use some tracks that all can relate to in some way or another. i find it hard to understand how you can question the intergrity of any of these pieces of music (and the artists behind them) that i used as examples.

How bold of you to come here and cite a few examples of great music from great artists as a reason as to why we with all our pro gear suck.

*claps*

thanks for opening our eyes and pointing us in the right direction!

Would you perhaps have some more examples? A light bulb has really clicked in my head after reading your wisdom filled posts.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE i find it hard to understand how you can question the intergrity of any of these pieces of music...

Because it's dance music. It's very simple music, has very simple melodies and arrangements, and most of them use 4 chords or less. That's not a bad thing - people dancing in a club don't want to hear Stravinsky, but don't try to convince me that the music you listed is among the most creative music being made or that its creators are doing something outstanding in terms of artistic ability or musical creativity. Believe me, I've had quite a bit of musical training and I know the difference.

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Originally posted by DEAD_MOOSE ...(and the artists behind them) that i used as examples.

I was half joking about the artists to make my point about you getting off your high horse. For the record, at least two of the artists you listed supported the original and a remix of a song of mine and I'm very appreciative of that, so the joke was in pretty bad taste (and wasn't funny anyway... ).

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