My problem is not the lack of quality, my problem is that once you enable embeds, people feel it is okay to dump twenty videos in a thread, making it ridiculously long and slowing the loading time. Why is it not sufficient to just link the video?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I know people who gig with them (professionally) and it took them 3 years to fully master it, and these are the same guys that can sit in front of a new sequencer such as logic or cubase and have it all down in a couple of days.

I'm assuming these people had never used a hardware sequencer or "groove box" before? It's really not all that complicated.

It's a bunch of basic concepts put in one box. The only thing to figure out is the interface, provided you already know what you need to do.

I'm assuming "3 years" was an exaggeration?

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Originally posted by hexadecimal I'm assuming these people had never used a hardware sequencer or "groove box" before? It's really not all that complicated. It's a bunch of basic concepts put in one box. The only thing to figure out is the interface, provided you already know what you need to do. I'm assuming "3 years" was an exaggeration?

Have you ever used an RS7000? I can't think of any one piece of kit that does all of what it does. You have to do it all through a LCD (non colour) display smaller than most digital cameras have these days. To truly master that thing takes a serious amount of dedication and time. Yeah, 3 years is a bit of an exaggeration, but not much in all honesty. Don't forget you can connect SCSI devices to it as well such as other samplers and CD rom drives for samples which adds another layer of functionality. You can also sync several of them together (what my mates do for the live act) which means even more functionality. I forgot to mention it's also an audio editor, external midi sequencer and midi keyboard. They know what they're doing - it's just that thing is damn complex.


My last surviving piece of hardware is my beloved Electribe, easy to program and a ton of fun.

Yes, I have owned and used one. I've also owned an RM1X in the past, among many other all-in-one type boxes. The last one I had was a Radikal Spectralis (look it up).

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saying it's really not nearly as difficult as you're making it out to be.

I'm not sure how the ability to connect external devices for storage (a basic feature of most professional samplers) adds any complexity?

Synchronizing multiple things together is a normal part of using hardware, as is MIDI sequencing, so that doesn't explain why you think it's so complex, either.

Most musical instruments take some dedication to learn. I have no idea what the size of the display has to do with anything (and actually, in terms of hardware sequencers, it's a pretty large display). Most displays on synths, samplers, and sequencers lack color as well.

Basically it seems like you're just naming things that people rarely have to think about while working "in the box" as reasons why the RS7000 is incredibly complex and difficult to learn.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I forgot to mention it's also an audio editor

I meant to comment on this as well.

It's not really an audio editor so much as it just has basic sample editing capabilities, as many hardware samplers do.

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Originally posted by hexadecimal I meant to comment on this as well. It's not really an audio editor so much as it just has basic sample editing capabilities, as many hardware samplers do.

No, you can record audio in to it and then edit audio as a waveform, therefore it is an audio editor. Basic, but still an audio editor.

I totally get what you're saying but I think you point about a musical instrument taking time is very valid in this instance.

It is a sampler. That takes time to learn.
it is a synth. That takes time to learn.
It is a drum machine. That takes time to learn.
It is a Sequencer. That takes time to learn.
It is has FX. That takes time to learn.
It had built in mixing capabilities. That takes time to learn.

I could go on but I think you get the point. It's not that any of these are hard to learn in themselves but they are complex when put in one box and used simultaneously. I don't think I've ever met anyone that has owned one that has said the learning curve isn't steep on them. I also found it not to be too intuitive, at least to me.

How did you like the spectralis - was eyeing one of theses a while back?

The Spectralis sounds great, but the buggy ass software and missing features (which were listed in the specs) eventually killed it for me, so I sold it. They have finally updated the software, but I still won't go back.

...and if the RS7000 took someone 3 years to figure out, the Spectralis would take 6.

Here are my 2 eurocents as I have been touring in the past with a "live set"...

I honestly think that rm, rs, grooveboxes et al are GREAT machines for going "live", except when you play keyboards. And most of the time they lack a single feature that makes a world of difference.

I've been looking for months here as I was on the hunt for something that might replace all of my broken keyboards, my master keyboard at home, my desperate trigger finger that still worked, with eventually a soundcard so I could use it as a combo audio/midi through a single usb cable, and some synth features.

I got to test the Roland Fantom G6 out. It has everything I wanted, and at least it's rock-solid.

Good thing is that you can't program it groovebox-style but you can play on it that way, like musicians would do normally. And with RAM expansion up to 1gb now, you should be able to put a 1-hour live set together in WAV format.

To be honest, this is probably the most stunning synthesizer workstation I've seen, and the GUI is just like using a computer that never crashes. And now I discovered that it is also a DECENT synth and not just a Sample player.

I really wouldn't know what to do with so much horsepower.

... and still it is in some cases cheaper than a virus Ti keyboard or polar.

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Originally posted by palm how bout using Elektron Machinedrum for drums and samples and MonoMachine for synthlines? If i win some money soon im getting that! Synced with ableton you can pretty much do anything without being afraid of crashes and computer shit (using ableton for only minor things).

Elektron Machinedrum and MonoMachine are nice but some reason it kinda
sounds cold to me!
I played with one at the music store and it was fun!
To me i rather use redrum and some good roland tr-808/tr-909 samples, make my loops and used them on a Roland sp-555 for live use!
Also i can't find any Elektron videos on youtube that made me go wow i want one!

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Originally posted by Pagan-za Fighting online is like winning the special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

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