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Originally posted by tubularbills i lol when people pay money to test how smart they are

It usually means they aren't all that smart.

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Most IQ tests I've seen have an overemphasis on shapes and pattern recognition. I really don't think the scores given on your ability to tell what comes next in a series of matchsticks or hexagons indicates how intelligent you are.

Is there any kind of intelligence that does not rely on pattern recognition in a very central way? Reading, math, art of all kinds, even so-called "social intelligence" all require a person to recognize and use patterns and relationships between different things.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Is there any kind of intelligence that does not rely on pattern recognition in a very central way? Reading, math, art of all kinds, even so-called "social intelligence" all require a person to recognize and use patterns and relationships between different things.

It's a less an issue of pattern recognition and more about processing abstract visual information. People can be very good at handling one kind of information but very bad at handling another, which is why there are people who can work out visual sequences all day long but not see the writing on the wall in social situations.

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I don't understand why you would want an IQ test as some sort of measure of self-worth, when all you're getting is a measure of a completely arbitrary and artificial construct. If you want to know if you're good at math, just take a math test. All an IQ test will tell you is that you're good at taking IQ tests.

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Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine I don't understand why you would want an IQ test as some sort of measure of self-worth, when all you're getting is a measure of a completely arbitrary and artificial construct.

Nor do I understand why you concluded that I would use a test to "measure self-worth" when I said nothing of the sort.

Because there is no reason why you should be more 'curious' about this than you would be about how paint drying on a wall looks like.

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Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine Because there is no reason why you should be more 'curious' about this than you would be about how paint drying on a wall looks like.

I just want to get an idea of how much horsepower my mental engine has. :-)

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I just want to get an idea of how much horsepower my mental engine has. :-)

What I was trying to say is that an IQ test won't give you any measure of that, because the score you get in the end isn't descriptive of you as much as it's descriptive of how the test has been designed in regards to what kinds of mental faculties are being discriminated, and what arbitrary values are being placed on them.

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Here's a simple test I devised:



If you think this track is awesome then your result is 148. If you don't like it your IQ is 48. Any more questions?

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I went under a battery of psychological tests when I was in 9th/10th grade for something.

I took an adult intelligence test because the guy didn't have the juvenile one.

I found out I scored in the "above average to superior range." I was quite proud of myself.

Of course he later went on to say "he is a chronic underachiever with little to no goals."

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's a less an issue of pattern recognition and more about processing abstract visual information. People can be very good at handling one kind of information but very bad at handling another, which is why there are people who can work out visual sequences all day long but not see the writing on the wall in social situations.

I agree. That's why I said I don't take the results of those tests very seriously: even though I'm good with pattern recognition and what have you, I'm stupidly clumsy. My friends in high school used to joke saying that I could pick up a language in three months, but it'd take me three years to learn how to kick a god damn football.

That's why I said in another thread that farmers usually think I'm slow: whenever I'm to do a physical task, I always end up doing it in an unusual way (though it's the best way to do it, in my opinion, others hardly agree).

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