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Originally posted by mysticalninja i switched from a rack to a polar, and one thing i noticed is all the presets sound different because the velocity and things like that are set to that keyboard, your midi controller will have totally diff velocity pressure, basically you hear the patches how they're supposed to sound. not that big of deal, but it was a pleasant surprise.

Aren't most MIDI controllers velocity sensitive? Maybe I'm reading this wrong..

Yeah but the "sensitivity" of the velocity, aftertouch, etc all vary. the amount of pressure you have to apply to reach a certain point doesn't seem to be very standardized.

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Cryo - You know your money better than me, and of course have your musical preferences versus mine. You may enjoy having various keyboards for different synths and if you do, just forget what I'm about to say. I find it incredibly helpful to use one standard keyboard for everything. You know why I like this so no need to explain.

If I was you I'd just pick up a used desktop TI for at or even under $1,000. Sure, a brand new TI2 61-keyboard is going to be much fancier, but from a purely sonic perspective there is no way it justifies the price difference. If power/voices is your concern, you'd get much more power getting a snow and a desktop or some sort of combination of the two original models.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Cryo - You know your money better than me, and of course have your musical preferences versus mine. You may enjoy having various keyboards for different synths...

Yes, I do. I like my 88 weighted keys for playing piano and some other parts and I like my Virus' (Fatar keybed) semi-weighted keyboard for playing other parts - it has the best action of any semi-weighted synth I've ever owned. Also, I spend about 50% of my production time in front of my computer where my Polar currently resides and functions as my main MIDI controller for soft synths, and there is just enough room for a 61-key version. It's not about being fancy, it's actually about simplifying and being able to more easily play the parts. I think the problem here is that so many people on this forum are so used to writing in their parts in their piano roll that they forget that others actually play and record them in real-time. I don't mean that in a condescending way - it's just the way it is I suppose and that's the reason that having a specific controller is so important for me and the reason that I'm not interested in a desktop version or Snow. I simply want what I've got now, but with more keys or, if I thought I could justify the additional cost (which I don't think I can), a TI2. It's that simple.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley If power/voices is your concern,...

See my earlier reply - power is not a concern for me per se - I just wanted to hear from others if the difference was noticeable before making a final decision. But, I've already pretty much decided that early next year I'm going to buy/trade for a secondhand TI1 keyboard version. Thanks for all the replies!

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Well, awesome. I know that synths have specific feels to their keys when it comes to velocity, aftertouch, etc. and I highly suspected that is why you wanted a keyboard model, but just offering up an idea I had.

Before I bought my TI I read around about the TI2 and nearly everything I read can be summarized in two lines.

"Not worth the price"
"All you get is 25% more processing power"

I'm sure there is more to it, and my money says that Access will eventually (and in your case hopefully soon) develop something exclusively for the TI2. The problem I see there is they are essentially the same machine using the same OS, so I'm not sure if they could even make specific quality things for the TI2 other than only making it available to TI2 users but then it would just get pirated by TI owners and the exclusitivity of that upgrade is then gone.

You know synths inside and out so I expect a full report on the TI2 once you get it!

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley ...I expect a full report on the TI2 once you get it!

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Originally posted by cryophonik ...I'm going to buy/trade for a secondhand TI1 keyboard version.

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I wrote a rather lengthy reply yesterday only to have TA site puke when I clicked submit. I'm not going to retype it all over again for now but as someone who owned a virus continuously for about 7 years in all forms and incarnations, let me make it simple: either TI2 or C. DO NOT BUY MK1.

I own MK2 kbd and after 7 (yes, seven) TI mk1, I am going to urge you not to get a original ti. They had inherent hardware flaws which resulted in all the negativity. It was a compromised bastard child of Access that should have not been released until ready. Think of it as Vista vs Win7. I know some info that I'm not really at liberty to disclose but rest assured, you're not paying for just minor improvement over TI. YOU'RE GETTING DIFFERENT COMPONENTS that do not have problems that original had. TI was a beta, all suckers including me, who bought it - helped birth the TI2.

DO NOT BUY TI MK1

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Originally posted by alanzo I plead guilty. In the least, you can gather from my post that the TI2 isn't worth the effort. The interface hasn't even been reorganized -- it just got a new face plate. If I were you I'd use the TI2 for the only thing it's been good at so far... driving down the price of the original TI.

WADR, but do you have any clue or facts, aside from marketing materials or your own negative opinion? I know for a fact that ti2 was not just a minor uprade in dsp. There was a complete overhaul of internal circuitry, along with major improvements to address a clusterfuck of a problem that access couldn't stop from release.

I currently own TI2 kbd - it blows the fuck out of MK1 in every category. Now, granted - you won't be able to squeeze all the 16 multis in at the same time but I had as many as 7 really beastly patches behave and play nicely where the original ti was shitting all over itself.

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Originally posted by aNYthing WADR, but do you have any clue or facts, aside from marketing materials or your own negative opinion? I know for a fact that ti2 was not just a minor uprade in dsp. There was a complete overhaul of internal circuitry, along with major improvements to address a clusterfuck of a problem that access couldn't stop from release.

Cmon, you can't stop there. Details!

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Originally posted by aNYthing WADR, but do you have any clue or facts, aside from marketing materials or your own negative opinion? I know for a fact that ti2 was not just a minor uprade in dsp. There was a complete overhaul of internal circuitry, along with major improvements to address a clusterfuck of a problem that access couldn't stop from release.

Until you can provide a source of where your FACTS are coming from, we can only take what you say as your opinion.

I'm not saying your wrong. All I do know is I have a original TI and it has been near enough problem free as it has been for many others as well...

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Originally posted by G-Con Until you can provide a source of where your FACTS are coming from, we can only take what you say as your opinion. I'm not saying your wrong. All I do know is I have a original TI and it has been near enough problem free as it has been for many others as well...

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