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Originally posted by thesauce23 here in the US, there are lobbyists in Washington who want to ban free antenna based tv so everyone would have to pay to watch regular non-cable based programming

i can understand why. With the internet pilfering away eyeballs for free and undercutting traditional media, they have to find the money to pay for their content. The crunch is here... the money has run out. Either we pay up or we end up in a world where for the most part our entertainment will be homemade

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 its coming.. look for new computers to have a built in credit card reader in the near future. We will all pretty much have our own merchant terminals right in our own home.

The computer already has a credit card reader - that big warm squishy thing hunched in front of it. You can buy USB readers right now if you're really that bloody lazy.

Not sure how this would change anything (can't type a 16 digit number off a card?) A reader would offer no advantage in security unless I'm missing something.

Where do you get the idea that pay sites are going to take over? Ad support seems to be only more prevalent and successful as time moves forward.

it will be as secure as it is now when you go to a store and they use the same kind of encryption. Think pin and chip cards that are being phased in now. Why do u think they so desperately want this to be the new standard?

Most sites get peanuts for ad revenue in comparison to the amount of eyes that see them. You have to be an enormous site in order to be somewhat viable in terms of ad revenue. For most companies, its just not cutting it. There is a push to create a more user pay system. The costs wouldnt be great. We are talking a few dollars at most. Im all for it. Especially if done a way where content providers are properly compensated for their work.

im pretty sure i can part with $10 or $20 a month spread out over several websites to get the kind of services i get now.

Its a freaking steal compared to what the costs would have been 10 years ago to get the kind of content we have now!

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i can understand why. With the internet pilfering away eyeballs for free and undercutting traditional media, they have to find the money to pay for their content. The crunch is here... the money has run out. Either we pay up or we end up in a world where for the most part our entertainment will be homemade

Yup. All the big networks are on the verge of liquidation. Back to Textured Wooden Blocks and Cinnamon Flavored Playdough.



Where do you come up with this stuff????

I don't think its that far off that the internet will be just like cable television. You will end up paying a fee to gain access to certain types of websites and if you want to gain access to others you will have to pay additional fees.

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers The computer already has a credit card reader - that big warm squishy thing hunched in front of it. You can buy USB readers right now if you're really that bloody lazy. Not sure how this would change anything (can't type a 16 digit number off a card?) A reader would offer no advantage in security unless I'm missing something.

Too complicated for a $1 payment to see some content on a whim. Think iPhone apps. But a built-in credit card reader isn't the solution either, nor will it ever happen (way too expensive and risky).

If micropayments ever take off, it'll look something like PayPal, only even quicker/easier. It has to be centralized - one provider works everywhere - otherwise it'll never take off. As it is, it's a chicken-and-egg problem, which is why I say ads and donations will be around for a while longer.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I don't think its that far off that the internet will be just like cable television. You will end up paying a fee to gain access to certain types of websites and if you want to gain access to others you will have to pay additional fees.

I sincerely doubt it. That would be ridiculously complicated to maintain - more expensive than anybody would be willing to pay to compensate. The internet doesn't work like cable TV where a provider can just choose what to broadcast to you; communication is two-way, decentralized, and all actions must be actively monitored in order to restrict access. Even when it's done within the walls of a private business, where users are willing to tolerate that sort of thing, the results are notoriously erratic and inaccurate.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 it will be as secure as it is now when you go to a store and they use the same kind of encryption. Think pin and chip cards that are being phased in now.

While I can see this perhaps being more secure, why would anyone trust it 100%? As the hardware and software would be run locally by the client's machine (thus open to being compromised) why would anyone trust the info any more than a typed CC number over 128 bit ssl? If the software developers can make it, the crackers can break it - guaranteed.

I don't get it. Explain. I can't find any articles that support your argument.

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Originally posted by DigiNut If micropayments ever take off, it'll look something like PayPal, only even quicker/easier. It has to be centralized - one provider works everywhere - otherwise it'll never take off.

I'd bet on Visa, MasterCard and Amex for this type of service. Seems like a natural for them. They're always in the mix anyway, why not integrate completely?

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers Yup. All the big networks are on the verge of liquidation. Back to Textured Wooden Blocks and Cinnamon Flavored Playdough. Where do you come up with this stuff????

in some cases yes...

but not on a large scale yet. But the cracks are there hence why all the infighting about cable user fees in canada and the US. Many medium and small market stations are already losing a lot of money and the big guys are cutting costs on production and content. And thats just television!



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/b.../07canwest.html

http://www.thebigmoney.com/articles...lost-generation

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100102...able_tv_dispute

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Interac is already that central processing centre. And Mastercard/Visa are both entering the debit market this year. I would imagine that the system would be run through the banks/interac as it is now with merchants but on a very large scale.

The banks would make a fortune, merchants would sell products easier and the consumer would be able to shop at home as if he or she were at the mall.

here is a company already doing it in a similar way.

Just imagine when the majors jump on this

http://www.smartswipe.ca/

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Just stumbled across this old article from 1996. Interesting perspective.

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February 22, 1996 1:00 PM PST Online shopping: future or flop? There is no shortage of cyberstores on the Web: Nordstrom, Foot Locker, OfficeMax, Omaha Steaks, Borders Books & Music, and Harley Davidson have all set up shop. But is anyone buying anything? If consumers haven't taken to cybershopping yet, they're going to, according to a study released today from MasterCard International and the National Retail Federation (NRF), which found that 84 percent of current Net users said they would buy something via the Net this year. The more time they spend on the Net, the more likely they are to buy, the study said. In fact, the study concludes, real-life retailers are going to be losing customers in droves to their cyberequivalents. A separate study released this week predicts that by the year 2000, 1.8 million Internet users in Europe alone will be shopping from their home computer. Information technology consultancy Datamonitor said that insurance and vacations will be the most popular items to haggle over online. But some observers say online services have a long way to go before they pose a serious threat to suburban malls and mail-order catalogs. Maxwell Sroge, president of catalog consulting firm Maxwell Sroge Company, says online shopping will be "an explosive opportunity" for retailers once they learn to replace the visceral enjoyment of walking into stores or buying something over the phone. "People enjoy thumbing through a catalog with a cup of coffee. You see something you like and you call the 800 number. It's a very simple, relaxing process," said Sroge. "The way that it's being done on the Net right now is almost like a storm-trooper approach to things. You push a button, and it will take you there and that's it. I think it's a horrible way to buy things." Sroge also says that most current online shopping services are being designed by male engineers and that this may result in sites that are unappealing to female consumers. "I think there are more men on the Net than women, and 85 percent of the shopping is done by women. Online shopping will take off when women are welcomed into the store and are given a pleasant overview of what's there," Sroge said. The MasterCard/NRF study found that 75 percent of Net users are male with a median age of 34. Sroge also refutes the idea floated by the MasterCard/NRF study that online shopping will take off after consumers are persuaded that online transactions are secure. "I don't think the guys talking about the so-called safety issue are shoppers. I think it's all a bunch of hype. You give your credit card number to a company over the phone, so why wouldn't you give it to a company over the Internet?" he said. "Safety isn't the problem; companies haven't realized what consumers want."

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill