Armin can produce my friend.

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Originally posted by IceColdWater Armin didn't know how to hi cut. His producers does it for him.

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Originally posted by Aesthetic Armin can produce my friend.

I guess my joke is kinda stupid.

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wow@ the people who missed the point.

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Originally posted by evo8 Maybe, instead of looking at a signal analyser, he listened to the track and found that it was ok

Could be. I always say if it sounds good, don't worry about it. But usually you do not want that much low end on a pluck. It's unpredictable. And this goes way low. It's inaudible, but ti's there. So it's there to be felt, but think about what this can sound like on some random club speakers. It could either sound OK (as when he monitored it) or just too boomy.

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Originally posted by Subtle Its a bass pad put in there for the break, you can hear it come in at 3:03

It's not a god damn bass pad, it's the pluck. ffs wtf are you monitoring on? $15 PC speakers? The bass pad comes in only at 3:02.

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Originally posted by XDR Playing it from CD here and it sounds fine. You're saying there is a lot of low end in there, which is true, but why is it bad? It sounds just fine in this case. The reason for cutting the lows out of most of your sounds is so they don't muddy up your mix by interfering with the frequencies of your bass and kick. When there are no other sounds using those frequencies there is no need to cut them. Unless it sounds better that way of course but in this case those low frequencies give the pluck a full warm sound so it's better to leave them in. I'm sure that in the rest of the track the low frequencies have indeed been cut on this element to create a cleaner mix.

See point above. And; There seems to be absolutely no low cut on this pluck whatsoever. Look at the analyzer - the 5Hz sounds are louder than the actual pluck frequencies. Even if it was desired to have some low end on the pluck when no other instruments are playing you would still need a gentle roll off at least at 30Hz. This is not the case here as you can clearly see those very low frequencies actually rising instead of being rolled off. Which is also why I said I suspect a soft synth produced this sound, because generally soft synths have that kind of "effect".
That's why I said it's surprising to me that the ME didn't catch this. He could automate an eq with something like 6db per octave and cut at around 50 Hz and he'd lose 0% of the actual sound, but not risk of this part sound like a one big boomy mess through a sub.

Its def not the bass pad because the speakers are all over the place before it comes in.

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it doesn't really matter what it is . There is no technical reason why you would highpass a synth that is solo'd. What exactly are you making room for ?

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Originally posted by RichieV it doesn't really matter what it is . There is no technical reason why you would highpass a synth that is solo'd. What exactly are you making room for ?

Well for one the synth is solod for 14 seconds. When the basspad comes in I'm curious if he cuts any sub from the pluck but it doesn't seem like it. He also has fx that come in and a counter melody.

All and all its not muddying up the sound and thats why I say this thread is a waste. I think the OP just finds it suprising that someone would leave in so much sub on a pluck, but all and all it works so who gives a fuck?

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agreed. Another example of people blindly following rules without actually understanding the logic behind the rules. In Hanz Zimmer's Dark Night soundtrack, there is a synth that is only audible if you have a system with adequate bass response. The synth is almost meant to be felt rather than heard. I can see how in dance , you would want people to feel a pulsating bass synth even in the breakdown. It gives momentum despite the lack of any actually beat.

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Originally posted by RichieV In Hanz Zimmer's Dark Night soundtrack, there is a synth that is only audible if you have a system with adequate bass response. The synth is almost meant to be felt rather than heard. I can see how in dance , you would want people to feel a pulsating bass synth even in the breakdown. It gives momentum despite the lack of any actually beat.

Maybe you've hit the nail on the head and part the reason why it could be there also.

Yes in a club it would probably FEEL pretty immense, which is also what a club systems all about

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comparing Hanz Zimmer and Armin....


Btw i promise u all, i see this kind of shit in alot of older tracks, and it has no purpose but fucking up the speakers, its an error by the producer imo and should be eqed away (atleast some engineer should spot it and fix it if the producer is a retard). Alot of club systems would filter this shit out anyway though because they know artists dont know shit about bass and club systems and therefore filter out everything under 30-35Hz to avoid shit like this. Theres the same thing in the track "Death of the Prodigy Dancers" by Prodigy on the Experience album. Raise the gain a little and look. It has no purpose, its an error. You see it even more in HipHop and it usualy comes from scratching. Such low frequencies also destroys sounds in higher frequencies like especially vocals get fucked when there alot of sub going on. Its like singing into a table-ventilator.

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Originally posted by palm comparing Hanz Zimmer and Armin....

both use low frequencies to obtain a pulsating bass rhythm you feel. Both are atmospheric and both essentially do the same thing. Notice the dB level of the low frequencies, it really is not that high and those dB meters are incredibly unreliable. I have a feeling you people think a highpass actually gets rid of all the frequencies below the threshhold. It doesn't. Even with a 48 high Q slope, at 100, you are still going to have energy at 40 hz.

and the prodigy's experience was an independent release. I don't understand why you actually expect it to be perfect or near perfect given the cost of getting a good sound back then. And low hz will not ruin a sound system, it will just make everything quiet.

It's Hans Zimmer.