I've used FL, Reason and Live as my primary sequencer at various times - for me Cubases's workflow, including the piano roll, are the quickest and easiest to use. To each their own, though. If some people see FL's piano roll as the best, good luck to them.

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Originally posted by DigiNut The kludginess of that ****** roll"...

Are you referring to FLS or Live?

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i've only fucked around with fl studio and reason, and i thought fl's piano roll was much much more user-friendly than reason's. then again, i was accustomed to fl's for a long time, so maybe it was just because i wasn't used to it. the automatic snapping to grid with 1/4, 1/6, etc makes creating straight or triplet patterns a snap; and then holding shift while moving a note (no um.. "snapping" i guess) makes it easy to syncopate/"humanize" a pattern. also, editing velocity, volume, panning, automation, etc right underneath the piano roll is pretty fuckin convenient.

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Yeah but that means switching to the pencil tool.

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Maybe it's just me but I find Live's piano roll to be very easy to use. I don't understand why everyone hates it so much, especially people who say they could'nt find the piano roll. You click on a midi clip and it shows up, it's very simple actually.

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If Live's was detachable that would be a start

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Originally posted by evo8 If Live's was detachable that would be a start

Yes, but Ableton deliberately don't want anything to be detachable or anything to open in a new window. With every new feature, they find a way to incorporate it into the existing layout. This may be an annoyance to some but for the majority of Live users, including myself, this is one of the plus points of Live over other daws.

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Originally posted by G-Con Yes, but Ableton deliberately don't want anything to be detachable or anything to open in a new window. With every new feature, they find a way to incorporate it into the existing layout. This may be an annoyance to some but for the majority of Live users, including myself, this is one of the plus points of Live over other daws.

True, but I certainly wouldn't mind the option of having the piano roll etc being shown seperate on a second monitor.

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Originally posted by Acton True, but I certainly wouldn't mind the option of having the piano roll etc being shown seperate on a second monitor.

+1. Options are always nice. OTOH, there's definitely a lot of appeal in Live's simplicity compared to the bloat in other DAWs.

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Originally posted by G-Con Yes, but Ableton deliberately don't want anything to be detachable or anything to open in a new window. With every new feature, they find a way to incorporate it into the existing layout. This may be an annoyance to some but for the majority of Live users, including myself, this is one of the plus points of Live over other daws.

Meh, its not gonna make me switch to another DAW, im used to it by now. But it would be nice to have the option.
However i suppose if they made the piano roll detachable there would be calls for the mixer to be detachable etc etc

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Originally posted by cryophonik Are you referring to FLS or Live?

FLS - never used live. The word in quotations was supposed to be 'piano'. Apparently the forum censors you if you put that in double quotations. ******". There, it did it again.

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