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Originally posted by DigiNut You can't copyright an idea either. Nor can you patent, trademark, or put any other legal protection on it. State departments may be getting loose in their definitions of Intellectual Property but it still has to be something that isn't totally abstract. Also, one thing I forgot to mention yesterday is that neither an NDA nor a non-compete can be (reliably) used to prevent disclosure of information that was known before the agreement was signed. I suppose you could try, but if information ever "leaked" then said individuals could just claim that it happened prior to the agreement, and it would be very hard for you to prove otherwise. There are obviously some instances where a non-compete is acceptable, even necessary, but those are invariably in super-specialized fields with months or even years of expensive training and obscene pay. In that case, there's usually a non-compete term of maybe a year to prevent people from just quitting after the training - but the term is also usually effective from the hire date and not the termination date. It's the last part that's especially important. At some point it has to be acknowledged that you've paid your dues and that they don't own you.

This is true but you can protect an idea and you own the company they work for.

In fact, I signed an NDA and an intellectual property agreement that was so tough, anything I created either inside or outside of work belonged to my employer.

If you really want to protect it, form a single member LLC, have an employment application created and signed by the people working for you, get a lawyer to create an all encompassing NDA and intellectual property agreement (with severe and set out penalties for breach for both during and after employment) and finally accept the employment application in writing and pay them something (even a dollar) for their work.

They will have a seriously hard time doing anything with your idea if you do the above.

i've wondered how legal some of those are. I've signed things saying I had no claim even by name to things I did. I always thought there was a fundamental copyright law that allowed your name to be associated to something you did.

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Originally posted by RichieV i'm interested in hearing the idea

I'm also waiting on that promised rolling bassline tutorial....

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by RichieV i've wondered how legal some of those are. I've signed things saying I had no claim even by name to things I did. I always thought there was a fundamental copyright law that allowed your name to be associated to something you did.

It really depends on how technical and covering it gets but you're right in that you legally can't "uncreate" anything you make. In this specific circumstances the agreements basically say you contributed to the invention but waive any rights to the final product.

With musical rights, you are a musician for hire and waive your rights to the created piece, often accompanied by some form of NDA.

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Originally posted by Aesthetic is there any that are actually good?

Wel the Impulse Tracker networking feature was amazing for it's time .

I haven't looked into any recent possibilities regarding this. From what I know most networking solutions require a fair amount of bandwidth (probably about 35kB upload a second minimum for decent quality).

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Originally posted by Aesthetic Wonder when someone will invent IP based multi user sessions.. Some application layer that sits on top of the DAW and allows users to simultaenously write tunes togther over the net.. now that would be worth a dime

Real time recording from multiple locations, nice..!

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Originally posted by DJ RANN In fact, I signed an NDA and an intellectual property agreement that was so tough, anything I created either inside or outside of work belonged to my employer.

I always wondered why anybody would sign an agreement like that. They must have been paying you a shitload.

It may vary from state to state, but most of the time an agreement can't extend more than a year after termination - anything longer than that is legally unenforceable even if it was signed in good faith.

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i think the leaking of a hundre million dollar film makes producers extremely nervous with anyone involved in the creative process so they make it that you can't even mention the name of the project ... I think the fear of being blacklisted is enough for most people to play nice. The paperwork is just a little extra encouragement.

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Originally posted by RichieV i think the leaking of a hundre million dollar film makes producers extremely nervous with anyone involved in the creative process so they make it that you can't even mention the name of the project ... I think the fear of being blacklisted is enough for most people to play nice. The paperwork is just a little extra encouragement.

Dang Ritchie, are you sure you haven't worked there?

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Originally posted by RichieV i'm interested in hearing the idea your musical skills are rather bleak your grasp of technology is weak. The only thing I can think of is compilation dj sets for juice heads to weight lift to. Maximum Push trance Nation 2020

Lets not forget the most important part here, that you are just a bitter arrogant douchebag.

My heart is more in music then you could ever be, I can tell just by the way you get along with people here. You more into shooting down peoples ideas rather then manning up for a purpose to do something constructive with your time.

The idea involves creating a social bridge, that would allow artists to get vocals with ease.
This is what I don't understand.

How many times a week do you see people on this forum looking for original vocals to record? I see it A LOT. I've been seeing this even back 7 years ago when I was on the serioussounds.net. Guys would always post looking for some way to find original vocals, or even a vocalists.

What I've been doing over the last year is "collecting vocalists" and have been meeting with local producers in the area. I went through about a dozen just to find the guy I have now. His skills are better then yours ever will be, its a collective effort, and although I'm not up to par with your musical status quo, I have design skills out of the ass, marketing skills, business skills, and psychology skills.

I have 6 vocalists to start.
And I've reached the decision yeh anyone can steal my idea, but its not gonna be easy to find as many vocalists as I have. It takes time and a lot of screening. These girls aren't Britney Spears but they all sing beautifully, and I have a studio better then mine to record in with the help of a professional.

I've already met about 20-25 people who were willing to get involved. So as stupid as people here say the idea is, I know its not. There is NO AVENUE to get original vocals.
It involves 3 things, that are going to all work together to promote the one website. On the one website, vocalists will have profiles, with samples of them singing in various different styles. This is not just for EDM, if you wanna do folk, rock, country, or w/e you will be able to.

Everything will be preordered and custom recorded. I'm gonna start the prices extremely low at first, to get the vocalists some good feedback, them bump them up a bit after 6 months to keep it fair. But it will be NOTHING like the chipmunk Kate Lesing charges. Guys will have the opportunity to submit lyrics, and the key they want it sung in, we will record in the studio, and then deliver the goods digitally.

This is NOT about money. But obviously no vocalist is gonna work for free. This is about having a single place that people know to go, that everyone knows to go when they need vocals. I don't see why 5 years down the road, there can't be 40 or 50 vocalists on the site. No longer do 100 artists have to mix the same vocalist, but there will be the option to choose.
I've thought this out logically, I've talked it over many hours, the vocalists want to do it, and every local producer I've talked to thought it was a good idea to at least TRY. If it fails so be it, but we do have the manpower to do it, and the motivation. And nothing is gonna stop us.

Its all gonna be done in a proper studio, I've seen the guy work and hes quick and he knows a crapload more then I do. I'm obviously worried about people stealing it, but I think if I always keep enough incentive for them to stick with me, they may not go off on their own.
Whatever the case, its not the idea thats gonna fail, its how the idea pans out in real life. If you create a good product, that a lot of people demand, people are gonna buy it straight and simple. I'm not sure what you can submit to argue that. But goahead and try.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I'm also waiting on that promised rolling bassline tutorial....

Thats coming, I've already done about 8 different versions, but I'm still fumbling with which one I like best. I'll prob do another but so far none of them really stick out from the avg shit on youtube.

I've done it with Reasons subtractor for the bassline, Reason rewired through FL 9 for the bassline, did one using only z3ta, another using only nord soundfonts (which came out suprisingly good imo) then one done with my virus that I came back to and didn't like. And a few other random ones. But you'll have your day to rip on it no doubt. I know thats all a lot of guys here are good for anyway.

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