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Originally posted by bas Oh if only California had a Panorama Bar/Beghrain Or a T-Bar, or a Robert-Johnson, or a Watergate

Bathroom into Berghain kit on Ebay somewhere. 1 Hour of Labor, turns any bathroom into Berghain.

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commercial and underground electronic music (house/techno/trance/other) will surpass today's hip hop/pop/rock/country in worldwide interest...if it has'nt already.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Of course the DJ's opinion is much more valuable for a poll like this. How many clubs a year does the average club kid visit over the year. Probably not many outside of his/her own hometown. A DJ is traveling to a different club every other weekend at least, his opinion is based upon many different clubbing experiences over the course of the year

it seems to me the poll grabs a couple of top venues from every top market and aggregates each based on the number of hits from top djs every one gets. how then wouldn't the people of la know which venues in their own market deserve to make it to the list better than a dj who stops by the same place once a year and has to remember what that night was like amongst 100-150 other stops that year?

furthermore how does their experience in any way reflect what a clubber would experience walking up as a customer off the street? how well can the dj judge the club's sound, lighting, crowd, staff, other rooms, or anything else from their perspective of side door to green room to dj booth to side door (which is how it happens a lot of times)? most djs never step foot on the dance floor to see or hear or experience what a paying customer would.

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I think it's how you want to put this specific poll in perspective. I can see Rich seeing it as a poll from his point of view, but I think others like the poll being from the view of DJs. It's a different perspective. I personally like the perspective of it being from the DJs. That's just me.

In the end, I wouldn't mind two seperate polls/lists, one from each perspective. Maybe that's what DJMag is doing in th end. We won't know until the issue comes out

I dont think clubs would have as much incentive to waste there time and effort on this. people are gonna go to local clubs if theyre good no matter what dj mag says.

djs have more to gain from it cos theyre moving around from city to city and sometimes the locals dont know who they are so the club depends on their number to promote them.

watch beatport bet on itself a crap ton - best sound best club, etc. - whatever else they are in.