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| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
How the fuck could you possibly know that? Dogs are bred to be obedient. You shouldn't [possibly] mistake obedience with 'a want to do work'. |
You can easily tell if a dog is satisfied by it's demeanor. A satisfied dog will be calm when idle whereas an unsatisfied dog will be either; aggressive, overly affectionate, unruley, mischievious, dispondant, or a combination thereof. As a ranging pack animal dogs have an inate need/want to be part of a larger group and to travel as part thereof, which is why all dogs love to be walked. With working breads they have been selectively bread to strengthen certain behavioral traits; with huskies/malmutes/other sled dogs the trait they have been bread to enhance is the desire to run, boarder collies have been bred for the hearding instinct, terriers largely have a hunting instinct, poodles and labadors a retrieval instinct, blood hounds (hounds in general) a stalking instinct, etc. Just like any animal that has a strong desire to do a certain thing they are happiest when fulfilling that desire. Cruelty would be not allowing these dogs to do what they are bred for.
| quote: | This is one of the reasons I have so much respect for domestic cats, over domestic dogs.
A dog will love you, because it's been taught to. It's been bred into their nature to do what they're told.
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This isn't really correct. A dog loves you because they are a pack animal and have an inate desire to belong to a group. If there are placed into a group of humans the humans assume the role that other dogs would in the natural pack. This is why humans were able to so easily domesticate dogs; to the dogs we fulfilled the role of the pack leaders... they did tasks for us and we rewarded them with food, which is exactly how a pack of wild dogs operate - the subordinents fulfill a role and the leaders reward them for it. Cats on the otherhand were never domesticated by man; rather, cats domesticated themselves. Cats chose to live in close proximity to human populations because human activites attract rodents and other pray for small cats. The hunting activities of cats provided a benefit to man because it controled the rodent and vermin populations. So, where the dog was domesticated because we provided benefit to them the cat chose to be close to man not because of a benefit given to them from man but because the areas near humans were advantageous to them (and we allowed them to stay because it was also advantageous to us). In addition, the wild varients of small cats are all solitary animals, thus, they have no instinct to belong to a larger group. Dogs love us because we are a substitute for the pack and their instinct is to contribute to the pack, cats don't love humans at all and do not perceive themselves to be part of a group; rather, they likely view being with humans as a partnership with them. If you're part of a family you have an obligation to same, if you're a partner your cooperation only goes as far as your benefit.
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| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about. |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down 
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