Random question...does it matter what software you use to burn cds? I was recently told that the audio quality can be negatively affected if you burn via iTunes for example. Is this true? Would a cd burned through iTunes sound worse than a cd burned with Nero, for example?

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Originally posted by zizack Random question...does it matter what software you use to burn cds? I was recently told that the audio quality can be negatively affected if you burn via iTunes for example. Is this true? Would a cd burned through iTunes sound worse than a cd burned with Nero, for example?

No difference in quality. This is only an issue with how good the source is. Don't play out anything less than 320kbps files on a big system.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY No difference in quality. This is only an issue with how good the source is. Don't play out anything less than 320kbps files on a big system.

I really only play wavs out.

I just got a little nervous for a second when someone tried to tell me that iTunes was not a good way to nurn cds, because it downgraded the sound quality, or something like that.

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd i burn at 86x.....

I can promise you this: You don't.

Post pics or STFU!

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Originally posted by skip lol, that's complete bullshit. I take it you don't really know much about how CDs actually work.

nope. don't really care either. never had a problem at 52x

why don't you enlighten me skipper

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Originally posted by epdarks nope. don't really care either. never had a problem at 52x why don't you enlighten me skipper

I'm no expert on the subject, as it really isn't my field of study, but I've looked into it a bit. There's a thing called error correction in CDs. It's related to "oversampling" the signal and because sound consists of sinusoidal waves only, the original signal can be reproduced unchanged. But like I said, I'm no expert on the subject and it does relate some math that might not be very simple. But it definitely works and is used in loads of things besides CDs.

Anyway, to make it simple, a CD can have "loads" of errors and still be able to reproduce the signal unchanged, due to the error correction. A CD with no errors in it (pretty much impossible) and a CD with some errors in it will sound exactly the same. But the CD with errors can't handle as much errors as the flawless CD (scratches etc.) and therefore is the shittier one of the two. If you scratch them exactly the same, the one with more errors initially will fail sooner.

The relation of burning speed to the amount of errors on CDs isn't really a simple thing as there are various manufacturers of CDs and various manufacturers of burners and every manufacturer also makes products with different specs.

Also I don't know if it is actually easy to measure the amount of errors in a CD with gear you've got home, so it might not be so easily determined. But the popular consensus is that you should burn at the speed the CD-R and your drive is specified at, not above, or below. They're built to work the best at that rate (that's what they say at least, might not be true always).

So, in conclusion, the gray area is not audible, but having your CDs at the "darker gray area" will make them more prone to failure. Predicting where in the gray area your CDs end up with different burning speeds isn't necessarily very simple.

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Originally posted by skip I'm no expert on the subject, as it really isn't my field of study, but I've looked into it a bit. There's a thing called error correction in CDs. It's related to "oversampling" the signal and because sound consists of sinusoidal waves only, the original signal can be reproduced unchanged. But like I said, I'm no expert on the subject and it does relate some math that might not be very simple. But it definitely works and is used in loads of things besides CDs. Anyway, to make it simple, a CD can have "loads" of errors and still be able to reproduce the signal unchanged, due to the error correction. A CD with no errors in it (pretty much impossible) and a CD with some errors in it will sound exactly the same. But the CD with errors can't handle as much errors as the flawless CD (scratches etc.) and therefore is the shittier one of the two. If you scratch them exactly the same, the one with more errors initially will fail sooner. The relation of burning speed to the amount of errors on CDs isn't really a simple thing as there are various manufacturers of CDs and various manufacturers of burners and every manufacturer also makes products with different specs. Also I don't know if it is actually easy to measure the amount of errors in a CD with gear you've got home, so it might not be so easily determined. But the popular consensus is that you should burn at the speed the CD-R and your drive is specified at, not above, or below. They're built to work the best at that rate (that's what they say at least, might not be true always). So, in conclusion, the gray area is not audible, but having your CDs at the "darker gray area" will make them more prone to failure. Predicting where in the gray area your CDs end up with different burning speeds isn't necessarily very simple.

Awesome post. Very informative.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister I can promise you this: You don't. Post pics or STFU!

there is no 86x you retard

And 86x will make the CD explode in the drive.

Myth busted.

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd there is no 86x you retard

I'm not the pecker who claimed to be able to burn at that speed.

You were.