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Originally posted by DGREG i think the armada folks need to spend more time focusing on good business and less time trying to make as much money as humanly possible.

would a good business be not making as much money as humanly possible?

this sets a large precedence in the music industry, artist and djs will need to carefully review their downloadable content when they post it live. I think that's a fair request for the business to make, they aren't preventing them from playing it, but if you're gonna put it up for free for people to DL, at least make sure they're following some guideline that might be affecting their business.

They aren't saying don't play it, you can play it but don't record what you play and post it up for free.

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sometimes you have the law and the practicality of the law. i don't think armada will be able to execute this worldwide. people will still play their releases and armada can't sure the whole world.

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I too think it is a dumb idea.

What Datt said was funny - what if he decides to throw in classics since he can't play Armada tunes.. and they happened to buy it.


Armada was turning into a monopoloy. I hope it stops. Everyone has sold their labels to them. What happened to shit like Intuition?

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Originally posted by get nyce would a good business be not making as much money as humanly possible? this sets a large precedence in the music industry, artist and djs will need to carefully review their downloadable content when they post it live. I think that's a fair request for the business to make, they aren't preventing them from playing it, but if you're gonna put it up for free for people to DL, at least make sure they're following some guideline that might be affecting their business. They aren't saying don't play it, you can play it but don't record what you play and post it up for free.

+1, although I'm personally not familiar with all the details and loopholes, etc...

What I do know is that all 2-dozen or so songs that I've ever put out in the past 4 years have always gotten leaked 2-4 weeks before the release date, and billions of illegal download links could be found with a simple Google search. My 2-3 releases with Armada haven't been leaked and any illegal downloading links would be removed (at least in the first month or so) one-by-one.

From an artist's point of view, I think they do their job very well at fighting illegal filesharing, in a way that other labels can't or don't. I'm curious to hear all the details but my gut reaction is to stay neutral on this haha...

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it's posted in MD.

They have some serious rules such as... 80% music then 20% must be filled with jingles and talking..

Every 20% of the length of the podcast must be interfered with..

edit since you guys don't really venture outside of NYTA here ya go:

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Hi *****,



I hope all is well with you. We would like to inform you about the usage of Masters of which Armada owns and its usage of it in podcasts.
Enclosed you will find the guidelines for the usage of Armada tracks in case you would like to use them in your podcast.



Please let me know if you have any further questions.



Thanks & Best regards,



Raya Brummelaar
Business Affairs

Armada Music B.V.
PO Box 75247
1070 AE Amsterdam
The Netherlands

P: +31 20 408 0846
F: +31 20 617 22 49
(Aim:Raya Armadamusic)


www.armadamusic.com
www.armadadownloads.com
www.djdownloadmix.com
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· A Podcast is a specific Radio program, which is broadcasted on a FM station, with music use not over 80%. The other 20% should be filled with jingles and talking with some degree of editorial / journalistic content


· The podcast should be offered to consumers on a website for not longer than one month.


· The podcast shall not be a full dj mix with only talking and jingles in front and/or at the end of the podcast. The music should be interfered within every 20% of the full length of the podcast.


· Armada tracks used in the podcast may not be longer than 2 minutes.


· The consumer shall be able to download the podcast as one full file, BUT shall not be able to download, burn, copy or scan the tracks as a independent file(s). The podcast may *only* be offered by the use of a
special podcast program (not to be able for copying etc).


· The list of titles including time usage should be published with the podcast on the website.


· You are not allowed to use more than 2 tracks of one album within one podcast.


· You are not allowed to use 4 tracks of one artist within one podcast of which maximum 2 tracks in a row. Not to use bootlegs or other illegal recordings, or pre-releases of Armada’s tracks , with the exception
that this has been allowed and cleared by the original owner.


· This approval only regards master usage and has no relation with the copyrights which belong to the composers and/or lyricists of the music compositions.


· You need to pay to SENA (Netherlands) or to a similar organization who collect the moneys for Neighboring rights, subject to local laws, the but at least with the minimum compensation asked by the Dutch SENA for music
usage.

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that goes along with this new law they passed regarding radio. Im not sure if its in DC or if its everywhere but the gist of it is this...

radio station DJs cant play just any old cut from an album they want to. The song has to have been released as a single by the record label and sent over to the station. It sort of takes away from the exclusive hotness that a DJ can spin, but hey, it's record labels trying to protect artists, thats what it comes down to.

do we think it's BS what armada is doing? sure. Does Steve Helstrip have a legitimate beef? maybe, I mean it is his music, but then again, Dr. Dre doesn't own the masters for Gin and Juice, Suge Knight does. Am I saying armada is pulling some suge knight strong arm tactics? i dunno, not really.

im just saying that in an age where pretty much everyone pirates music, labels need to do something to make money for their artists who dont constantly tour. I downloaded a torrent file about a month ago that had one of marcello's tracks in it. i found that amusing. thats how I really know that you've blown up. lol

but yeah man, armada's doing what it has to do to protect the rights of the artists. maybe they are being a little nazi-ish, who knows.

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yeah but then again, we are talking about a PODCAST only and a 128 rate quality.... or 192.... I dunno.

song is also being mix in and out of..

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Another perspective can be found straight from Armins mouth as seen in his interview with MTV for ASTOT 450.

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2010/04/06/...tate-of-trance/

"Technology helps too. Though many musicians lose sleep over piracy, it has helped Van Buuren turn the virtual world into a club that never closes. "Thanks to the Internet and thanks to the illegal downloads, my name became known all over the world. I think it’s really important to use all of that technology to interact with your fans," Van Buuren said. "People ask me what my favorite club is to play. There is no favorite club to play because it has become a global audience. There's no more countries they're no more borders, we're all in the same country because of the Internet. People in Australia, people in India, people all over the world can listen to my latest track within a few seconds, which is amazing."

Not that I am a fan of Armada, but why would they punish the people actually purchasing their music to fight piracy?
I can't see this decision leading them to making more money, pirates will only pirate their music more out of spite, while customers who actually pay will not want to buy in fear of their podcasts getting shut down if they broadcast.. It's a lose - lose decision.

I understand they're just trying to protect their artists and I agree with that wholeheartedly, I just don't think it's a fair / working model that they've come up with. They're asking for 250 euros per track (just under $400) which still includes the mandates set forth for 2 min per track, talking etc.. etc.. The problem with this is that it's the same price of licensing a track for a traditional mix CD, but with even more restrictions (and no chance of a profit to boot). What they're effectively doing is asking the podcast provider to pay for all of the lost sales from the listeners - which I just can't see as a working business model. The 98 billion bedroom DJs (such as myself) can't afford it, and the average consumer will still be getting their music for free so they'll never feel the need to pay for music anymore than they did yesterday.

I'm all for supporting artists, but there needs to be a model that works. If they were asking for buy links to be embedded with each track, liners on top, and a low bitrate I think that would be a better solution for offering a positive way to guide people to do the right thing and buy their tracks.

My 2c..

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Originally posted by Stassi Not that I am a fan of Armada, but why would they punish the people actually purchasing their music to fight piracy? I can't see this decision leading them to making more money, pirates will only pirate their music more out of spite, while customers who actually pay will not want to buy in fear of their podcasts getting shut down if they broadcast.. It's a lose - lose decision.

This is half the arguement.

I am sure they are not happy with promo's being played either but... they are the ones who send the promo pool to like a million people!

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Originally posted by BradMiller get nyce - I agree with you if they were asking for fair compensation but they're not. They asking for 500 euros per track (just under $400) which still includes the mandates set forth for 2 min per track, talking etc.. etc.. The problem with this is that it's the same price of licensing a track for a traditional mix CD, but with even more restrictions (and no chance of a profit). What they're effectively doing is asking the podcast provider to pay for all of the lost sales from the listeners. This simply won't work as a business model. The 98 billion bedroom DJs (such as myself) can't afford it and will just use material from a different label, and the average consumer will still be getting their music for free so they'll never feel the need to pay for music anymore than they did yesterday. I'm all for supporting artists, but there needs to be a model that works. If they were asking for buy links to be embedded with each track, liners on top, and a low bitrate I think that would be a better solution for offering a positive way to guide people to do the right thing and buy their tracks. My 2c.. EDIT - btw that letter circulating TA is the 'nice' version.. there's definitely a different one out there that's not so polite..

I only read a small portion to the terms, so it has me thinking "podcast" only as downloadable content where these rules apply. It does set the standard for other labels to enforce similar rules handed down by mastering tracks or signing to a label. I'm not saying I'm promoting the new terms and conditions, I'm just saying I don't find it outrageous for them to impose such standards. There's relevance there and it makes sense, especially with the itunes market and how many active customers use their marketplace for media. It's a large chunk, a chunk that an artist would want a piece of because of the exposure and any business mind sided ventures within it.

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