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Stu Cox
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Originally posted by n3lly
Hmmm...

Maybe i should get two mics, 2 long XLR's plug them into the Xone 92's mic channels and every now and again turn the mics on to record any reactions that might occur throughout the set and later on post process them. Or just plug em straight into something like the Zoom H4 and us that device to record rather than routing it through the mixer (which obviously if Traktor is recording it) i wouldn't be able to edit each separate channel independently.

I'm not quite sure what direction i'll go in. Might get the Zoom H2 as i'm not sure i need 4 tracks..

I'm still a bit confused. If i decide to go for anything i'll let you know.

Cheers for the heads up and advice though. As always it's appreciated.

I think until you've done it a few times you'd want to record the whole thing in multitrack.

The Xone 92's got 2 aux outputs, so if you've got a soundcard with enough inputs and the right bit of software you could record 2 mics and your mixer output all as separate tracks on a laptop.

Or you could make use of the extra 2 inputs on the H4, so you could either hook up a separate mic setup elsewhere to one input and feed your mixer into the other, or you could use it for 2 extra mics and record your mixer output separately (possibly with a couple more mics as above) - then line the two recorders up back at base.

With the H2 you have basically just got 1 microphone for all intense purposes - I really can't imagine you being able to put it anywhere in a club where you'd be able to take advantage of the stereo imaging.


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n3lly
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quote:
Originally posted by Stu Cox
I think until you've done it a few times you'd want to record the whole thing in multitrack.

The Xone 92's got 2 aux outputs, so if you've got a soundcard with enough inputs and the right bit of software you could record 2 mics and your mixer output all as separate tracks on a laptop.

Or you could make use of the extra 2 inputs on the H4, so you could either hook up a separate mic setup elsewhere to one input and feed your mixer into the other, or you could use it for 2 extra mics and record your mixer output separately (possibly with a couple more mics as above) - then line the two recorders up back at base.

With the H2 you have basically just got 1 microphone for all intense purposes - I really can't imagine you being able to put it anywhere in a club where you'd be able to take advantage of the stereo imaging.


Yeah i see what you're getting at there. Might try use one of them as the recorder for external mics. Would have to look into mics now and which ones would get the job done the best.

oh by the way the H2 has 4 condensers on it. Here's an image of the mic orientation on the unit.




Here's a snippet from a review explaining the mic setup better than i ever will.

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H2 Review
Four Heads are Better than Two
Unlike previous portable recorders I've reviewed, the H2 has four condenser mic capsules, arrayed as front and rear X-Y coincident pairs. The front pair is angled 90° apart and the rear pair is angled 120°.

So why have two stereo pairs in a two-track recorder? For one thing, by selecting either the front or rear mics, you can tailor the pattern to the source, choosing the 120° pattern for a live band, say, and the narrow array for acoustic guitar. Or record stereo tracks using both the front and rear mics—great for interviews or jam sessions where everyone is seated in a circle. The output of all four mics is mixed down to stereo in this situation. That's too bad, because sending the front and rear mics to individual mono tracks would even better for interviews.

However, that is not what is causing the blog-o-buzz. The H2's original specs called for three mics, set to record mid-side (MS) stereo. Zoom felt three mics didn't cut it, so the company came up with the current four-mic setup, which opens the door to recording in 360°. (See the Surround 101 sidebar.) Press a button and the H2 becomes a four-track recorder of sorts, capturing the front and rear mics to two stereo WAV files. Ah, but is it Surround with a capital "S?" And how do you play it back? Let me leave you in suspense for a moment as we dig in to the interface.



I know what you mean about it only having '1 mic' though. The distance between those mics makes the whole stereo image basically null and void. In a club setting anyway.
Would be interesting to hang it from the ceiling in the middle of the crowd though and see how it would fair. Again a lot of setup time would be required to get it just right.

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Stu Cox
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I know what you mean about it only having '1 mic' though. The distance between those mics makes the whole stereo image basically null and void. In a club setting anyway.
Would be interesting to hang it from the ceiling in the middle of the crowd though and see how it would fair. Again a lot of setup time would be required to get it just right.

Yeah my concern was that you'd have to have it quite a way away from the crowd (presumably upwards) to avoid picking up specific voices too loudly, by which point all of the channels have sort of merged into one.

Looks like a great bit of kit though. Tbh I'd say just get one and try it. If it doesn't work on its own, you've still got a portable multitrack recorder which will also serve as at least one of your mics. For me that would make it a tough decision between the H2 and the H4 though... more tracks or more condensers?

If it was a bit nearer to the crowd, the multidirectionality of the H2 might mean that while one condenser is picking up a fat bloke breaking wind, the others might pick up enough other noise to mask it.

I want one now


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Rodri Santos
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i got this for this kind of purposes:

http://www.dancetech.com/aa_dt_new/...MX602A_main.jpg

You can connect mics here and connect this to the line in of your mixer to record it , i haven't tryed yet though but it's one of the purposes of this kind of mixers i think.

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quote:
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i got this for this kind of purposes:

http://www.dancetech.com/aa_dt_new/...MX602A_main.jpg

You can connect mics here and connect this to the line in of your mixer to record it , i haven't tryed yet though but it's one of the purposes of this kind of mixers i think.


that's exactly the one we used. it's in our club, two mics, panned left and right, and the mixer record out on a stereo channel.


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