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kitphillips
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Registered: May 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Yeh thats why I need a program because even though I can tell when something is off pitch, for some reason I'll adjust the knob and think "that sounds closer to the key" but then I'll adjust it further and think "well that sounds closer to key too". And even though it always sounds better, I'm never confident enough to realize when its right, or IF its right. I can't assume just because it sounds better that I'm even close to the right key, I just don't trust ears like that. For some reason my hats always sound off the pitch of my basslines, like they don't belong. The most I've been able to do is manually adjust so it sounds better, but I want some way of verifying how off I am.

And who said hihats don't have pitch? Thats complete bs if you move the pitch knob listen to the pitch of the hats change. It might not have a constant pitch but it def has a dominant, initial, or avg pitch.

If a hat is hitting on c and ending on a lower note and my bass line is on f, I think moving the hat so it at least INITIALLY hits on the same key of the bass would make sense. I need to learn how to do this so I'll try edison first then see how it sounds and if it doesn't sound like its working I'll try mixed in key.

And subtle: I know for a fact there is already an fx plugin that will instantly tell you what key whatever sound going through the channel is in, it just doesn't allow you to change the pitch to key. I remember using it years ago it was a free plugin (I think) and it worked fine for finding pitch, but I don't remember what it was called, and it doesn't do what I really need is pitch the sound perfectly on key. If we already have an fx plugin that can detect pitch why can't we have one that tells you when you've adjusted the sound to key?

Doesn't make sense. I'll play around with edison and see if I can get it done there, thanks.


Argh. Dude, if it sounds good it is good. The reason why you can get two notes to sound equally right is that they are probably both in the same scale. So they both ARE right. Your percs don't need to all sit on the same note, or the root note. Its preferable if they don't.

Aside from which, the results that mixed in key gives you will be faulty because most percussion has a changing, unfixed, or just plain unclear pitch.

Also, its worth noting that repitching completely destroys the quality of samples and its particularly bad with percs because even the best algorithms really smear the transients around. ANd the transients are the most important part of percs. If you value your attack you won't pitch shift at all.

And incidentally, I can very easily listen to a tom sample and tell you what pitch it is with the aid of a keyboard. lots of people could do the same without even a keyboard.


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My knowledge of music theory consists of Theory 101, but I feel like you're overthinking this one Robby.

When you say you move the pitch knob and then it sounds better, and better etc, I think you might be forgetting that the drums are all being played on one note, and you're just changing that, probably to another note that is also in that key

C-C-C-C or whatever

it's not like a melody that's going up and down a scale.

so really (and anyone please correct me if i'm wrong) you have what, 8 notes that fall into a certain key, so any of those are going to work in the track no?

it's not like with a piano melody say in, i dunno G minor, if you had a note in there that was Ab and doesnt belong


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music2dance2
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I dont know of any vst for this but the best way would be to use your ear and tap the bassline note on the keyboard to check if its the right key or close to it. Then play both together and see how it sounds. This will also take next to no time to work out and help tune your ears for producing and doing such tasks.

If it doesnt seems to work try a different tom, but that should do it. Most the time though you shouldn't have to go to deeep into things such as hats and even percs, but im by no means saying you cant and its wrong, everyone produce's differently. But I think you loose the feel and can get lost in doing such tasks which may not be needed.

As for knowing the pitch by ear, I'm sure someone here I'm guessing who has been playing some kind of musical instrument for over a decade or more could come close or guess the pitch from a single sample hit. Thats not hard if trained its something you use as a musician and/or producer if you can.

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DJ Robby Rox
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Originally posted by kitphillips
Argh. Dude, if it sounds good it is good. The reason why you can get two notes to sound equally right is that they are probably both in the same scale. So they both ARE right. Your percs don't need to all sit on the same note, or the root note. Its preferable if they don't.

Aside from which, the results that mixed in key gives you will be faulty because most percussion has a changing, unfixed, or just plain unclear pitch.

Also, its worth noting that repitching completely destroys the quality of samples and its particularly bad with percs because even the best algorithms really smear the transients around. ANd the transients are the most important part of percs. If you value your attack you won't pitch shift at all.

And incidentally, I can very easily listen to a tom sample and tell you what pitch it is with the aid of a keyboard. lots of people could do the same without even a keyboard.



So If I post a kick, tom, and simple bassline, with the tom off key you're saying you can hear the pitch of the tom and fix it? Would you mind trying? I'll provide the samples? I'll leave all the samples as wavs and I'd just like to see how you make a tom sound closer to the basses pitch, or just MORE RIGHT is what I really care about.

So many times I have a nice little kick bass line, I add a tom or perc and its like "wtf, that DOES NOT fit at all" and I have to assume its pitch reasons. I'll submit an example of what I mean..


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Examples would be good mate.

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kitphillips
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quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
So If I post a kick, tom, and simple bassline, with the tom off key you're saying you can hear the pitch of the tom and fix it? Would you mind trying? I'll provide the samples? I'll leave all the samples as wavs and I'd just like to see how you make a tom sound closer to the basses pitch, or just MORE RIGHT is what I really care about.

So many times I have a nice little kick bass line, I add a tom or perc and its like "wtf, that DOES NOT fit at all" and I have to assume its pitch reasons. I'll submit an example of what I mean..


Post a tom sample and I'll tell you what note it is. You should be able to figure out where to transpose it from there. I'm not going through and repitching a whole drum loop for you and then reencoding it and reuploading it. Don't have that much time.

This is simple stuff though mate. You could do the same yourself, as could anyone on here.

If stuff isn't sounding right its less likely to be pitch than sample selection, volume, envelope etc. Look at the other recent thread here about percs.


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Can’t you just adjust the one offending tom ? That is easy to with either a sampler or melodyne.

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