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Originally posted by Kysora The thing that gets me is I have to imagine if someone actually needs a guide to understand how a trance song progresses from the typical intro-buildup-breakdown-drop-climax-outro etc formula, there's probably far more important fundamentals of trance that they're missing too. It's a good guide but in practice I can't see anyone needing this, anyone who's listened to enough trance to want to make some on their own should know this by now. But, again, no offense.

Thanks for your comment, and I didn't took it offensive

I remember when I started making dance music loooong time ago I didn't read any guides. I just listened a lot of trance and later on started producing and all the intros and breakdowns etc. were like natural thing to use in my songs and they came out naturally.

I guess most of the people will learn it by themselves without anykind of guides.

But if someones struggling I hope this guide will come in handy.

i have to say that i have had some tracks rejected on labels because their structure was very different to what people are used too.

Sadly 90% of the tracks are what the OP wrote but i made a track which as they said was "Like 5 tracks in one" i understand that i went too far in my innovation so well, you can have 2 breakdowns, even 3 if you manage but there are some guidelines that you must respect.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos i have to say that i have had some tracks rejected on labels because their structure was very different to what people are used too. Sadly 90% of the tracks are what the OP wrote but i made a track which as they said was "Like 5 tracks in one" i understand that i went too far in my innovation so well, you can have 2 breakdowns, even 3 if you manage but there are some guidelines that you must respect.

Yeah, I've been there also. It seems listeners get lost easily if the song doesn't progress logically or differes greatly from what they're used to hear. I think many non-musician listeners can't actually tell (in musical terms) what's wrong in a song that doesnt follow the common progress, but they sure can hear and feel if it's not working.

And in dance music particulary, you also have to consider that DJ needs to have tha intro and outro to be able to mix your song with other tracks.

Also, if you listen some popular pop-songs (rock, r'n'b, whatever genre that top-40 radios play), there's only very little variation on the actual song structure. Mostly the pop-songs goes like this:

[intro]->[verse]->[chorus]->[verse]->[chorus]->[bridge]->[chorus]->[outro]

And it seems to work for the masses.

But what really makes them differ from each other is the sounds, melodies, effects, instruments, vocalists, lyrics.

So I guess it's hard to make something creative that is working for the masses by altering the actual song structure.

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Originally posted by peteman I thought video would be even better...

I did not watch them, but it seems like something a quick picture would convey extremely fast.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux I did not watch them, but it seems like something a quick picture would convey extremely fast.

I may add that as well but now I have to go to sleepzzz... ->

I think non famous dj's can't be innovative, Sander van Doorn it's quite original for me but he is a top star and if you do what he does i'm sure you wouldn't receive the kind words he listen.

And i think Armin van Buuren can do whatever he wants that people will like it anyways, still some people think that he produces all the track he plays..... that in short sum up what EDM is about , having the support of the big names and stand behind them until they leave the scene and then it will be your turn.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery After all, you need to know the "rules" in order to break them.

so if u dont know that drinking and driving is illegal its ok to do it?

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Originally posted by 19503 so if u dont know that drinking and driving is illegal its ok to do it?

Why the hell do you think federal laws are a comparable metaphor to creative works? If you're going to troll at least do a better job.

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Originally posted by 19503 so if u dont know that drinking and driving is illegal its ok to do it?

Yeah, you go do that and report back on what happened.

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great for beginners but anything that is so formulaic without pushing some boundary is rather uninspiring. Good music comes from innovation and form counts.

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Originally posted by Kysora Why the hell do you think federal laws are a comparable metaphor to creative works?

i dont understand what u mean.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yeah, you go do that and report back on what happened.

lol u dont wanna know.

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Originally posted by 19503 lol u dont wanna know.

But of course I do.

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