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Originally posted by Kysora Yeah I agree. As far as I'm concerned using loops is completely harmless if you don't rely on them in any way. I could create my own percussion lines but acquiring the one-shots and putting them together would take a lot longer than the loops I have on hand, and the end result of my tracks would be largely the same since I never draw attention to my percussion anyway. I'm sure some purists might shun me for that but fuck them, I'm not sacrificing any artistic integrity by using loops as convenient placeholders for something I don't deem important in my music to begin with. And neither is Cryo. Though props to him for usually making his own rhythm tracks, I can honestly say I don't have that kind of initiative.

Programming percussion is really a whole different ballgame where the details of producing harmonic and non-harmonic elements come to light.

Melodies and basslines draw attention to themselves via relation to harmony and their melodic line. timbre, velocity, timing, and placement also apply but can be used optionally. Percussion on the other hand relies on patterns altering different sounds, timbre, and needs velocity and timing to take it to an exceptional level. Percussion can't use any kind of music theory to alter it, so it's much more primitive, but the limitation puts more emphasis on the nuanced elements that harmonic elements take for granted.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles You are hereby condemned to listen to Basshunter - "Boten Anna" two hundred times in a row: Get to it.

Jesus man, he didn't kill anybody

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u r no longer my friend for doing this

oh another vengeance loop =]

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I'll let you into a secret...I use Loops also, but dont tell anyone.

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Originally posted by tehlord Jesus man, he didn't kill anybody

A killing merits listening to Scooter - "How Much Is The Fish?" nonstop for ten years:

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Originally posted by Beatflux Programming percussion is really a whole different ballgame where the details of producing harmonic and non-harmonic elements come to light.

I totally understand that, I don't really suggest people use loops over creating their own percussion lines. Just in my case, I don't see how it'd make any difference if that's what I did.

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Originally posted by Kysora I totally understand that, I don't really suggest people use loops over creating their own percussion lines. Just in my case, I don't see how it'd make any difference if that's what I did.

The post wasn't necessarily directed towards you.

I guess you won't know unless you try. Hehe.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Please make it quick and painful.

Oops - that was supposed to be "painless". Wow, I'm dumb.

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If you are happy with the track so be it. I used to frown on using loops and made my own drum section. Glad I did as I have no issue making loops now.

I do now use loops though and its a great addition to your own work.

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Originally posted by alanzo It's like sifting through cat shit to find a penny. In the end, it wasn't worth the effort.

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Originally posted by cryophonik My latest song uses three drum loops (plus some one-shots), one of which is a VEC loop that is prominent throughout the track. I didn't try to hide it, I didn't cut it up, I didn't re-pitch it, and in fact I have it playing nearly in isolation at one point with the full realization that some producers would recognize it. To my amazement , somebody did notice it and told me I should cut it up, but I don't want to and I'm not going to. So, what is the punishment for such a travesty? Please make it quick and painful.

it doesnt matter man...the only people that will notice are producers. and not even the noob ones...just a few people.

I don't think you should worry that much since I have a feeling it's not the main focus of the song. It's the end result that matters. Lots of good producers use loops.