I have VOP. I bought it for a side project when it first came out and that's about all I've used it for. I've used some of the samples for some demo idea tracks that I've put together, but nothing I've finished without either replacing the samples by a real singer or by a more "playable" library. It has a cool "wow" factor when you just sit there and play through some of the samples, but that's about it and I really don't think it's very usable for EDM - downtempo and commercial stuff, sure, but not really EDM IMO. I really wish you had asked before buying it and I could have steered you toward some Kontakt libraries (e.g., Bela D DIVA) that would give you much more usability.

All that said, there are some pros: VOP has some oohs/aahs in there that are quite usable, and you could always bounce the samples to audio and chop them up to get some more usable and less canned results. The sound quality of the most of the EWQL stuff (including VOP) is very nice as well.

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Another reason it feels cheap is this: I get the sense that it does not even matter to the producer what the singer is saying, what language the musical phrases are in, or whatever. We just use modern technology to strip a piece of a non-Western musical tradition of all context and revel in its "foreignness" and "primal" emotional appeal to Western listeners habituated to action movies that feature ethnic wails during slow motion parts in epic battle scenes.

It's just really sloppy and ham-fisted shorthand. Even if you don't "mean" it that way, that is the cultural significance of it.

I doubt that criticism will sit well with many people, but there it is.

i'm sure there is some death to the infidels lyric in there just for fun

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad i'm sure there is some death to the infidels lyric in there just for fun

LOL!

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Another reason it feels cheap is this: I get the sense that it does not even matter to the producer what the singer is saying, what language the musical phrases are in, or whatever.

Well, that's a good point, made even more relevant by the fact that the phrases aren't actual words - they're just vowel sounds, wails, and individual words. The canned phrases don't actually say anything IIRC - they're just designed to "resemble" each of the languages in the library.

But, that said, some of the patches contain a limited number of words that can be keyswitched and played to create your own musical phrases/melodies, but the results are pretty choppy/unfluid and the selection of words is pretty small to be of any practical use.

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i think stephen wants to be inspired by the sounds that come with the east west sample packs.
nothing wrong with that it makes for some good ideas tho it still can be very tricky and most people will use them in key places.
and can be useful for fast work flow

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Well I wouldn't put it in anything I was actually going to release but I guess it'd be ok for inspiration as Owien said. I think if you put it in a track it'd be a bit culturally insensitive and (as the vocals don't make any actual sense) you'd seem a bit stupid. Imagine how you'd feel if you heard a track with an "engrish" sample which just didn't make sense, sort of like the manual for a japanese computer or something, it'd just make you laugh.

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MFB's outburst would be more than acceptable if it wasn't directed towards Wiley -- there aren't many people here that have a better idea of the sounds and style they specifically want to create song-by-song than him. Wiley legitimately does seem to know exactly what he's doing when he's making a track.

Yeah, it's generally a cop-out to use premade melodic phrases but I don't think Wiley would ever use them to a point of relying on them for anything significant. It just conveys a style that he can't achieve with his own means.

he knows what he wants when he hears it. That isn't creation. That is selection. Either way, that post he made about people making sounds for him was so incredibly lame and it will take alot to make me forget that pr quagmire.

well MFB, after more research, I actually called and cancelled the VOP order and ordered the vocaloid2 prima from zero-g instead because it is much more flexible. i will probably get VOP in the future, but it dropped way down on the wants list now that I've filled my desire for hymns with a decent machine that can synthesize them.

and yes, i know what i want out of a track. just like i do with my life. it drives my girlfriend nuts because i know exactly what i want out of life and what makes me happy and she, along with most of the planet, don't.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad he knows what he wants when he hears it. That isn't creation. That is selection. Either way, that post he made about people making sounds for him was so incredibly lame and it will take alot to make me forget that pr quagmire.

you should be giving me props for being honest and not shady about it/getting people to do NDA work for me. I know so much ghost writing that goes on with the big names, and i mean *THE* big names, for a fact, because I've seen the actual f'in projects for one and completely trust the other writer. Obviously I can't say anything more, but jeez man it's not like I'm shelling out cash and making people sign NDA's to write music for me while I tour the planet and live a fake life.

Excuse me if I am looking for smoeone to just make a few synth patches....jesus

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