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Originally posted by Kysora I'm basically just saying I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and hopefully you'll like whatever comes of that later on -- I impress myself with every song I make, I just wish you felt the same way. If you don't I won't lose any sleep over it though. I don't think I can do much of anything else as a songwriter beyond that. I don't want to get too off-topic though, thanks for the criticism.

Every man loves the smell of his own farts. It's difficult to know when you've created a pile of shit if you're in love with that pile. When you feel you're complete with a peace, put it down for three months, DO NOT LISTEN TO IT, and then come back. Until you're consistently making enjoyable music, I'm sure you'll hear several major aspects of the three month old peace that need improvement.

Learn to use your own ears.

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I've been at that point for 8 months now, haven't made a disappointment since then. I'm still relatively new, and still improving with each track but I'm genuinely happy with how my music has been turning out for a while now. 8 months might not seem like a lot to those of you who've been at this for 20+ years but since I've been doing this for 3 years it's a pretty long time to me.

I don't really know why you're trying to convince me that my works are piles of shit left undiscovered and I'll see them the way you see them now in a few months, as if anything other than that is ignorance. That's a really bold claim, especially when all the other criticism I've gotten about this has been positive. It doesn't make them right and you wrong, but I really need to weigh all of that together.

I'm happy with the track, you're not, I can live with that. I don't know why you can't.

Not really what i listen to but i thought the track was quite good, production was very good too, i thought the original link sounded better maybe it was just louder??

Just when it comes in after the break tho with that ping-pong delayed (or autopanned) lead i thought that was a bit weak and maybe slightly too much going on in the track then...

anyways, just my 2c

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I also thought the track has potential and is enjoyable, so I guess taste is a personal thing.

Though i would suggest to fix the EQ in the mix rather than the mixdown. I guess you've put some severe additive EQ and processing in your mix, start removing that and only work with low cuts, you might notice that you want to reset some of your faders

having an overprocessed mix and recorrect that again in the mixdown will basically leave you with a bunch of processed slammed harmonics rather than a nice clean track.

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From a musical standpoint, I thought this was pretty brilliant - you really have a great sense for composing memorable melodies and I really like the blend of sounds. And, to me, that's the most important, and hardest, part of music production.

But, from a mix standpoint, I can only agree with the others. I only listened to the second version, but the mix is definitely fatiguing. It sounds like everything is slammed and I suspect that the waveform looks like a brick. I would also echo Raphie's suggestion above to fix the individual elements in the mix, rather than use a band-aid approach after the mixdown (assuming that's actually the case here). But, I think that with a little more attention to the overall and relative track levels and cleaning up the track with a little more EQ, the quality of the final mixdown will be on par with the quality of the music. It's really a cool song IMO!

One other tip: in stats, we have often have outliers (data that are so far out of the norm that they are suspect). We usually throw them out/ignore them altogether in order to minimize bias. One thing I've learned over many decades of being a musician and composer is that there will also always be outliers in the critiques of your musical output - it's usually best to just acknowledge them with a "thanks for listening", and toss them out as not being representative of the "population" as a whole.

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Just listened to it on the laptop and it sounds kind of old fashion and there is a "been there, heard that" kind of feeling for me.

6.5/10

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I listened to it (the first link), and I must say I really like it. Cool melody, perfect buildup. However, after the break, it does sound like there is too much going on. I'm not exactly sure on how you can fix that, since I have that problem in my tracks a lot as well. If you find out how, let me know

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Originally posted by cryophonik One other tip: in stats, we have often have outliers (data that are so far out of the norm that they are suspect). We usually throw them out/ignore them altogether in order to minimize bias. One thing I've learned over many decades of being a musician and composer is that there will also always be outliers in the critiques of your musical output - it's usually best to just acknowledge them with a "thanks for listening", and toss them out as not being representative of the "population" as a whole.

Excellent point well made Ambassador

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I like it, it's at a stage where you can say that it's from a technical standpoint ready to be released, but does it have what it takes to become memorable?

It certainly sounds like today's trance, so mission accomplished there. Now, personally, that doesn't always have to be only a good thing. Your kick/bass mix sounds tight, but my personal opinion is that keeping the ducking for too long in a breakdown without the kick kind of fatigues the ear. But since everyone does that nowadays, you should try and create some musical dynamics by controling the volume. So really the best tip I can give you against ear fatigue is automating a Volume control on the master (I use GFader for this) and automate only the upper 10th of the volume to get the intro and breakdowns a few dBs lower than your climax (it really helps, you'll see). It has to be very subtle, so the listener doesn't really realise the fade down at all, but the climax will sound louder eventhough you don't squash it more and eventhough some elements in your breakdown may be compressed, the overall volume goes down more to create a more dynamic feeling and thus more musicality.


Now, there are two major musical points that I think you definitely should do something about before you release it:


1. Buildup tension towards the Climax.
Maybe you really wanted it the way it is right now, but I think that the buildup to the Climax is lacking some tension that builds up and releases into the climax. You could introduce rhythmical elements or switch up some stuff.
It already creates some tension, but you could always do more, you know, make those people long for the Climax even more. Sometimes adding some hats that progress into a faster and faster rhythm can be the key for creating that tension.

e.g. here's a buildup (not mastered of course, so turn up the volume) I made for the Sunshine project that I'm working on with Stephen (didn't have much time lately though) that shows just that. It's pretty much 2 minutes of constant buildup and you should really feel that tension building up (I'll probably have to work a bit on the end)





2. Variety in the Climax.
It could really do with a synth-switch/added melody on an instrument. I think that would instantly become the most memorable part of the track. Something that cuts through the rest, so it should be something short that comes up either at downbeats or syncopated.

The track definitely has potential, but going that last step is the one that will make or break your song.

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just as alanzo said, this track suuccccksssssss. no wonder nobody replied to this in the producers promotion page, just delete this and get it over with. Or learn how to make real music

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Originally posted by alanzo Daniel Kandi (uplifting star) is just about the only Anjuna artist who does no-wrong these days with my ears.

Just say you hate Kysora lol