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Originally posted by chrisspob its cool i think to learn this if you havent taught yourself to play the keyboard, but i think just playing some notes and recording what sounds good is the way to make unique melodies and of course you gotta use the black notes too for the most uplifting melodies, i know naff all really about music theory i think ive just basically trained my own ears over the years to know what sounds right and works and theres always one note thats not in the standard scales that when used can give a melody that extra bit of emotion, maybe i dont make sense lol but it does to me

you win the prize for the longest sentence on Tranceaddict.....

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Originally posted by Beatflux I just use the white keys, I can't be bothered touching the black ones. If I need to use a different key I use the pitch plug in. If I need to use a different scale I use the scale plug in. There's just something about those black keys that cries evil.

Then your using the A minor scale

most people use that for that same reason, cause its so easy to play

I personally prefer the G minor

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I would like to give a shout out to A minor, E minor, and G# minor.

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Originally posted by -FSP- I would like to give a shout out to A minor, E minor, and G# minor.

major and minor scales outline major or minor keys. Because most dance doesn't really use the raised 7th or the dominant V to I resolution, it usually makes more sense from a traditional harmony standpoint to view the song in major a major key where i is really vi, VII is really V and VI is really IV but this is most likely all above your heads. I suppose it is just easiest for you to think of the key being aeolian.

Keys are really chosen in dance depending on the bass sweet spot just like keys in the classical period were dictated on the what notes the natural horn could play or the tuning of the tympani. Not much has changed.

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Originally posted by kevin shawn That formula is written down on a piece of paper and stuck on my desk directly in front of my keyboard. I could not make music without it. Major +4 +3 (+2212221) Minor +3 +4 (+2122122) Augmented +4 +4 Diminished +3 +3 Annnnd minor - root +6 +8 will call to other notes major - root +7 +9 will call to other notes youtube FTW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0X...feature=related

FFS

just spend an hour and memorize it. It isn't really rocket science.

It really annoys me when people just suggest that you learn a minor key and thats all you need to know. Its one of the reasons trance all sounds the same, because it all has the same bloody progressions!

Try learning about modes and doing something new, even if its still really simple compared to what a classical composer could do, it'll still sound really unusual in a dance context just because no one else is doing this stuff!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n0an-7IxSI

whwwhww ftw.

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Originally posted by kitphillips It really annoys me when people just suggest that you learn a minor key and thats all you need to know. Its one of the reasons trance all sounds the same, because it all has the same bloody progressions!

Cant say i agree to this, things tend to sound the same cause people think the same way. The important thing is not the chords themselves but the rhythm and sounds you apply to them and how you choose to arrange it. I rotate my favorite progressions on my tracks and they do not sound the same.

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^^^ I'm not saying you CAN'T make good music with the same 4 chords, I'm just saying that it makes it harder to distinguish your songs from each other. I try not to re use progressions too much.

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it also doesn't help that these progressions have been used for hundreds of years. Well the typical trance progression at least from 1850.