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Originally posted by Mad for Brad there is no connect between your melody and the chords. It just sounds disjointed. It sounds like melody + chords. And your timbre didn't really inspire.

What do you have to say about something like this then:

http://www.subtleinc.net/terminal_destruction.mp3

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How about this attemp of two voice harmony then any opinions on that?


Also is it possible/can someone create following (uplifting) trance melodies:

a trance melody that uses neapolitan sixth chord somewhere?
a trance melody that is in phygrian mode?
a trance melody that is in lydian mode?

I have always been wondering how to keep the sound and feeling the mode while still being 'uplifting trance'?

Last edited by offensive_newbi on Aug-29-2010 at 16:23

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Originally posted by offensive_newbi a trance melody that uses neapolitan sixth chord somewhere?

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no neapolitan 6 there. b II and N6 are different regarding how they resolve although that would answer his question regarding a phrygian styled scale as that song clearly has. N6 goes to V, bII well in this case is just a neighbour chord. Often seen as an embellishment of iv so sure. Very easy to fit in. I once made a tutorial with a very catchy progression that had an N6, a diminished chord, a half diminished chord a minor chord and a major chord to show how all these elements can be used but it seems to have disappeared.

i'm not going to comment on your second attempt as it is pretty clear you just did it now. Spend some time and use your own ears and stop being so lazy.

Regarding Subtle's second link, much better.

You want to practice melodies chords and modulation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZA6mvMXxBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VefZ...feature=related

second one is lot easier. Another good idea is listen to any of Zimmer's soundtrack music as it is very simple and the melodies are catchy and easy to implement in trance.


notate that track. All the harmonies are trance friendly, the modulation is clever and should keep you busy. And fuck I love Rocky. I gave that first link to a second year theory class as an assignment and most couldn't figure all of it out so don't feel bad. Today class, we are going to study, Rocky IV mother******s. Nobody in the class even knew the bad guys name. Fckin nerds. Love classical music but god damn is it hard to find anyone studying it that isn't a complete knob. I made so many drug jokes that just went over their heads. And they were all so smug but could not notate a Christina Aguilera song if their lives depended on it. pity.

Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Aug-29-2010 at 16:53

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad no neapolitan 6 there. b II and N6 are different regarding how they resolve although that would answer his question regarding a phrygian styled scale as that song clearly has. N6 goes to V, bII well in this case is just a neighbour chord. Often seen as an embellishment of iv so sure. Very easy to fit in. I once made a tutorial with a very catchy progression that had an N6, a diminished chord, a half diminished chord a minor chord and a major chord to show how all these elements can be used but it seems to have disappeared. i'm not going to comment on your second attempt as it is pretty clear you just did it now. Spend some time and use your own ears and stop being so lazy. Regarding Subtle's second link, much better.

eh was that so bad? I can assure you that I didn't do it now? And its sometimes confusing to judge own stuff after I have already adapted to their poor quality.

Also thanks a lot for answers anyway!

sorry. Some parts are ok but there is this change of direction that is awkward and again the voice leading is horrendous and some of the chord voicing is rather strange sounding.

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Originally posted by offensive_newbi a trance melody that is in phygrian mode?

I think most psy-trance is in phrygian mode. I've accomplished some uplifting melodies with phrygian too.

I found that playing each note of a passage monophonically helped me compose more like Richie's talking about RE treating each note of the chords as their own voice.

It makes you think of each voice as an instrument in its own right and you think in harmonies rather than chords.

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Last edited by kitphillips on Aug-30-2010 at 03:27

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad sorry. Some parts are ok but there is this change of direction that is awkward and again the voice leading is horrendous and some of the chord voicing is rather strange sounding.

Hehe no need to say sorry. I'll try to fix it.

I think notating or learning classic trance melodies, simple movie scores ( Hans Zimmer ) will really help you with trance melodies. I can't stand Zimmer's writing from a compositional point of view but he sure as hell can make a catchy 8 bar melody and he has a lot to pick from. They vary from simple to somewhat interesting but they are great to learn from for a beginner. Download his scores from the pre gladiator times and you will find alot of motifs that you can apply to trance. Basically any one from Remote Control actually I guess media ventures at the time has the similar simple harmonic catchy approach that has some great learning tools for trance producers.

If you can't hear why your melody sounds weird , perhaps you just need to train your ear to know what sounds good and despite my dislike for alot of Zimmer stuff, all his melodies and chord voicings sound great and are good indicators.

stuff like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Xk38J0cYo

Try to learn theory and apply it to these easy progressions and it will help you out.Crimson Tide, The Rock .. that period.

Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Aug-29-2010 at 18:04

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Originally posted by Subtle

ahh forgot about that track.