To me, defining progressive is like defining umami. people end up giving examples b/c it's tricky to actually define.
this is a great analogy - i've had the same experience with trying to understand what prog is exactly.
Sep-21-2010 07:39
atilla
Junior tranceaddict
Registered: Jun 2010
Location: Los Angeles, CA
please correct me if i'm wrong, but this is PROGRESSIVE trance/house, correct? I'm not really a technical person, but I think of progressive as typically super dreamy, echo'ey, using atmospheric sound as opposed to a driving melody to evocate emotion. typically lower bpm and long tracks (although this particular cut is only 5+ mins).
Sep-21-2010 22:32
SYSTEM-J
IDKFA.
Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Manchester
quote:
Originally posted by atilla
please correct me if i'm wrong, but this is PROGRESSIVE trance/house, correct? I'm not really a technical person, but I think of progressive as typically super dreamy, echo'ey, using atmospheric sound as opposed to a driving melody to evocate emotion. typically lower bpm and long tracks (although this particular cut is only 5+ mins).
No, it isn't. This is:
quote:
Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
this is a great analogy - i've had the same experience with trying to understand what prog is exactly.
Progressive trance is deeper, atmospheric and more hypnotic trance that tends to feature less in the way of vocals, big hooks, snare rolls, dramatic breakdowns and unicorn fluffiness. It has a similar vibe to classic trance but it tends to be slower, better produced and with less of the acid and arps.
Slowing an epic trance record down a bit, adding white noise and throwing in a massive side-chained bassline does not make it progressive.
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
No, it isn't. This is:
Progressive trance is deeper, atmospheric and more hypnotic trance that tends to feature less in the way of vocals, big hooks, snare rolls, dramatic breakdowns and unicorn fluffiness. It has a similar vibe to classic trance but it tends to be slower, better produced and with less of the acid and arps.
Slowing an epic trance record down a bit, adding white noise and throwing in a massive side-chained bassline does not make it progressive.
thanks your description is helpful. what really confuses me is that people say Armin Van Buuren is progressive. so then I naturally assume vocals, dramatic breakdowns, dreamy. sorry to be dumb, but maybe someone can post an armin video (or other top ranked dj) then I would probably be able to understand better the concept - or even one which is progressive and one which is not. btw, I find avb boring, but he is a big name dj so i've seen him a number of times at massives (e.g. TAO last year) and have been duped into seeing him at club dates.
Sep-21-2010 23:47
infiniteJEST
solipsist sitcom
Registered: Mar 2008
Location: frolicking w/ minstrels, online.
Originally posted by atilla
thanks your description is helpful. what really confuses me is that people say Armin Van Buuren is progressive. so then I naturally assume vocals, dramatic breakdowns, dreamy. sorry to be dumb, but maybe someone can post an armin video (or other top ranked dj) then I would probably be able to understand better the concept - or even one which is progressive and one which is not.
None of the top-ranked DJs are progressive, and if anyone tells you they are then you can safely dismiss them as clueless. Progressive trance has not been popular for about ten years.
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
I'm certain that SYSTEM-J will speak to this but progressive, in this context, is almost a dead word because it's such an over-loaded marketing term.
It has become a severely over-used word. People need to acknowledge that by now "progressive" is a genre in its own right, and it needs its own set of sub-genres to better classify the many types of progressive electronic music.
Registered: Mar 2008
Location: frolicking w/ minstrels, online.
"Nice bro, I love progressive psy!"
"Well this is actually psy-progressive. Although these guys have lately been dicking around in dutch progressive and progressive progressive."
"Fuckin' shame, man."
"Fuckin' shame."
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Sep-22-2010 01:06
Rodri Santos
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Milan
But it can be Progressive Trance or just Progressive which is often a denomination of Progressive House like:
And Markus Schulz plays more this than every other genre
Sep-22-2010 08:08
suriya
tranceaddict in training
Registered: Sep 2010
Location: india
# 1.If you suggest even one track that is already on the list, I will ignore all other tracks in your suggested list. Use edit/find (on this page), or hit control-f to search out tracks before recommending them. Don't just whip your playlist off into the comments, I want you to make sure it's a)better than some of the tracks on this list, and b)NOT ALREADY ON IT, before you suggest I add it. This list is massive, and the base of tracks it was selected out of is even bigger. I don't mean to be a jerk about it, but I don't have the time to sift through records that are already on the list. Plus, that tells me you didn't think about your suggestion.
# 2.If you've been listening to trance for less than 9 months, you have a DJ Mystik track on your computer anywhere, or you still (seriously) find tracks by typing "trance" or "techno" into a file sharing program, then please don't suggest anything. Your recommendation is going to be stupid. No, trust me. It is.
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