thanks for the info sothis

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Originally posted by Busy Child Hindering file sharing will result in less CD sales because it will do nothing but force consumers to buy CDs blind without hearing the songs beforehand.

That's the whole point of them doing it. More people will buy shit stuff based just upon their own marketing and not actually hearing it.

ok, this information about half a year old, and i don't know how legitimate it is, but i read somewhere on cnet that Gnutella came with some sort of a hidden program from some california company which made it possible for them to take control over millions pcs at the same time... basically, like a trojan...

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Maybe it isn't so bad... think about it... they'll probaly go after the major sharing networks, kazaa, winmx like they did with napster. This is because that's where all the pop stuff is being shared (they ARE after 'pop'music sharing, because that's costing them money).

Maybe this would stop everyone and their momma from dling the latest britney songs, but the RIAA doesn't give shit about electronica at all.

besides, who needs public p2p networks anyway? da hUb'z where it's at baby!

OK, what's the deal with mp3's??? why isn't anyone trying to crack down on Movie and Warez sharing like RIAA is pursuing mp3s???

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Originally posted by ampburner what's your source? link?

I forgot to paste the link, but it was posted several days ago on www.cnn.com so you know its just an article about it and does not have the actual bill.

I dont doubt the fact that RIAA have already begun hacking P2P programs a long time ago, but the news about them trying to get Congress to legalize it is brand new to me.

Anyway, you can never stop the sharing of music, especially with ripped vinyls because I dont even think it's possible to rig vinyls like CDs. . . ..or is it?

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Originally posted by Busy Child I forgot to paste the link, but it was posted several days ago on www.cnn.com so you know its just an article about it and does not have the actual bill. I dont doubt the fact that RIAA have already begun hacking P2P programs a long time ago, but the news about them trying to get Congress to legalize it is brand new to me. Anyway, you can never stop the sharing of music, especially with ripped vinyls because I dont even think it's possible to rig vinyls like CDs. . . ..or is it?

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO RIG VINYL BECAUSE the entire process of ripping is analogue until it hits the soundcard, where it's digitised. But, RIAA doesn't care about that. They care about where they losing the MOST money, and that's American Rock, Pop, Rap, Soul, and Hip Hop...

I rhink we should all prepare for viral warfare. Audiogalaxy was getting hacked for a long time by thugs hired by the riaa.

They just don't get it do they ... the economic model that's underpinned the music biz for the past century is gone. Finito. It is no more.

The concept of ordinary people actually going out of their houses and buying a physical piece of plastic with the music encoded on it, be it vinyl, cassette, CD, whatever ... it will be something we all tell our grandchildren about, like horse-drawn carts or silent movies, and their eyes will go wide with disbelief ...

The real criminals here aren't the file sharers but the record companies, who have spent the best part of the last century coming up with dozens of different, rigidly inflexible, inferior music recording and distribution formats, and then holding a gun to our heads by refusing to sell us anything but over packaged, over priced music recordings at extortionately marked up prices. And we have had no choice but to comply ... until now.

As for the point of view of the artists when the whole world is hooked up to MP3, they really have nothing to worry about I reckon. In fact, once all the bullshit corporations are gone, the money making potential of the musicians and producers themselves is going to be a lot greater than it is right now. The smart ones that work the new environment properly, and work directly alongside their own fans, are going to be a million times better off than they ever were in the days of being tied into fixed-price recording contracts with label. The only reason that recording contracts were invented in the first place, is that recording studios used to be so goddam expensive that only big corporations could afford to have them. Those days are long gone already and with them is also gone the main reason for record companies' continued existence.

It's already proving to be the case that fan bases of individual artists grow exponentially, when everyone's freely able to listen to the music. Of course the potential discretionary spend of those fans will be that much greater than ever before, because they're no longer having to spend a fortune on buying bloody records all the time! If a few advertisers slip a few cents to the artists to promote their company in their ID3 tags well good on them, that's a price I don't mind paying. Live performance, video rights, DJing, broadcasting rights, merchandising (the real biggie) ... all potentially huge money making areas that can and should be controlled by the artists themselves, on their own terms, and limited only by their own creativity in terms of dollar rewards.

(At the moment, less than 10% of the value of a record goes to the artists ... that makes more than 90% that goes into production, packaging, record store overheads (plus their little bit of profit), distributor overheads (plus their little bit of profit), record label overheads (plus their big fat heinous profit, which all goes of course into the bank accounts of record label exec's and big corporate shareholders). Get rid of all that lot and you put a lot of money back into people's pockets ... money that can be spent where it rightfully should, straight into the artists pockets.

The RIAA are going down fighting right now, but they're going down as surely as the dinosaurs did. What advert was it where it said 'You can't stop the power of a good idea?' They should face the facts, stop even trying to dam the MP3 flood with their fingers, and try and put their minds to work out how they can be of some relevance in the future that's coming ... whether they like it or not

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What an absolutely excellent post kia.

i completely agree with you, the old way is dead and gone, it will never be resurrected. the RIAA put one foot in the grave the day they they launched the lawsuit against napster, and they put the nail in the coffin by shutting down audiogalaxy.

now, the people are pissed, the artists are pissed, and the RIAA will be going down soon.

their site was hacked this weekend, a simple DOS attack, but still, it shows the sentiment towards them.
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-947072.html

take a look at who is getting your money:

The RIAA Board of Directors represents leadership from a cross section of record labels. The board members are:

Roger Ames, Warner Music Group
Michele Anthony, Sony Music Entertainment Inc.
Val Azzoli, The Atlantic Group
Jay Boberg, MCA Records
Bob Cavallo, Buena Vista Music Group
Ray Cooper, Virgin Records America Inc.
Ronnie Dashev, Maverick Recording Company
Tracey Edmonds, Edmonds Record Group
David Glew, Epic Records Group
Dick Griffey, Solar Records/J.Hines Co.
Zach Horowitz, Universal Music Group
Don Ienner, Columbia Records Group
Robert Jamieson, RCA Records Label U.S.
David Johnson, Warner Music Group
Lawrence Kenswil, Universal Music Group
Mel Lewinter, Universal Music Group
Alain Levy, EMI, Recorded Music N.A.
Roy Lott, EMI, Recorded Music N.A.
Antonio Reid, Arista Records Inc.
Sylvia Rhone, Elektra Entertainment Group
Guillermo Santiso, Fonovisa Inc.
Rolf Schmidt-Holtz, BMG Entertainment
Tom Silverman, Tommy Boy Music
Andy Slater, Capitol Records
Thomas Stein, BMG Entertainment
Tom Tyrrell, Sony Music Entertainment, Inc.

and of course, the queen bee, the worst of them all:

Hilary Rosen, Recording Industry Association of America

I hope that she dies a slow and painful death listening to metallica

"Don't they have something better to do during the summer than hack our site?" asked the RIAA representative, who asked not to be identified. "Perhaps it at least took 10 minutes away from stealing music."

Dont THEY have anything better to do than hacking into P2P programs??

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for those that are interested... you can read teh bill here:

http://www.politechbot.com/docs/ber...inal.072502.pdf

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