alan showed me pics of this a little while ago when they first got it. its fucking crazy.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced It has already started...for years now I've heard laptop DJs refer to themselves as Digital Jockeys. I do agree with VDub that this is not DJing. The art of DJing will soon be lost and the only place you will see DJing is today's DJs spinning in the Smithsonian.

There is still something to be said for having a good taste in music, selecting new/interesting tracks, the patience to dig through old classics/obscure gems and making them work in a more contemporary way, building a set that takes your audience on a journey, knowing how to read an audience and how to balance playing to the crowd to get them moving, but also staying true to your sound/style. And if anything these days, with so much music being produce that sounds the same/crap/generic, having the patience & good ear to dig out the gems is even more important than it used to be.

Just because something can auto sync two tracks doesn't take away from the above.

Anyone with a bit of patience can learn to beat-match two records either it be vinyl, CDJs or clicking 'sync' in your software of choice. But having a good ear for music and the ability to read the crowd is a talent / skill that is harder to come by and develop.

I'd rather hear an all Abelton-auto-sync-laptop set from a someone with an good taste in music that's able to build an interesting set, than a guy who tries to hold onto his slipping creditability by only playing vinyl - but sticking to the top-100 charts & crowd pleasers.

Really, as long as it's not someone just hitting play on a pre-recorded mix and tweaking the EQ for the entire set - I don't really care of the medium, but I care about the music.

yeah but old people like to complain about shit...

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Originally posted by kaniz There is still something to be said for having a good taste in music, selecting new/interesting tracks, the patience to dig through old classics/obscure gems and making them work in a more contemporary way, building a set that takes your audience on a journey, knowing how to read an audience and how to balance playing to the crowd to get them moving, but also staying true to your sound/style. And if anything these days, with so much music being produce that sounds the same/crap/generic, having the patience & good ear to dig out the gems is even more important than it used to be. Just because something can auto sync two tracks doesn't take away from the above. Anyone with a bit of patience can learn to beat-match two records either it be vinyl, CDJs or clicking 'sync' in your software of choice. But having a good ear for music and the ability to read the crowd is a talent / skill that is harder to come by and develop. I'd rather hear an all Abelton-auto-sync-laptop set from a someone with an good taste in music that's able to build an interesting set, than a guy who tries to hold onto his slipping creditability by only playing vinyl - but sticking to the top-100 charts & crowd pleasers. Really, as long as it's not someone just hitting play on a pre-recorded mix and tweaking the EQ for the entire set - I don't really care of the medium, but I care about the music.

all that would be part of programming which I've already agreed is the hardest skill to learn and will become even more important as people rely on technology to do the other parts of DJing.

I never once suggested that listening to a DJ who spins records is better then listening to an entertainer who plays a laptop. All VDub and I have said is this is not DJing.

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Originally posted by Adamo yeah but old people like to complain about shit...

who's complaining....all we are saying is playing music on a computer is not DJing.

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Originally posted by RobSt*r CDJ's are already stupid easy to learn and use, now with the 'sync" button available in software, what skill besides learning how to program is there? Programming is still probably the hardest skill to learn anyways IMO

eqing properly, phrasing properly, timing your transitions to be flawless as well as many other things that the sync button doesn't do.

i'm not a fan of the sync button at all, and i still mix with records for the most part....but it just always strikes me as funny when people who have never done it know what is what.

imo using this type of technology is only cheating if you're not using the time its saving you to do something else...

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Originally posted by LightsOut using technology is only cheating if you're not using the time its saving you to do something else...

Interacting with the crowd like a retard is doing something else and it seems more and more entertainers are doing that.

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^^^
LOL I should have been more specific

If your using technology to auto-sync and auto-detect keys etc, which is amazing, this is only really worthwhile if your using the time it saves you from doing it yourself, to be more creative in terms of your mixing. Be that utilizing an extra deck, focusing on looping or wherever else your creativity goes...

It's easy to rely on technology and become lazy, the hard part is pushing yourself creatively now that the easy (and i use this term loosely) stuff is taken care of

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Originally posted by LightsOut ^^^ LOL I should have been more specific If your using technology to auto-sync and auto-detect keys etc, which is amazing, this is only really worthwhile if your using the time it saves you from doing it yourself, to be more creative in terms of your mixing. Be that utilizing an extra deck, focusing on looping or wherever else your creativity goes... It's easy to rely on technology and become lazy, the hard part is pushing yourself creatively now that the easy (and i use this term loosely) stuff is taken care of

I agree 100%. If you use technology to allow you to be more creative then amazing things can be produced live. Unfortunately, too many DJs are using it to become entertainers and not using it to be more creative.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Unfortunately, too many DJs are using it to become entertainers and not using it to be more creative.

Dead on. So sad yet so true.

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you haven't been out since 1973 chem, stop lying