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Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel i don't use it enough for me to make a big stink about it...but i was really wtfbbq trying to figure it all out. When i need to make edits, i just use 7...it takes me less than 10 seconds to warp. It seems to me that ableton should have maybe offered both the new and the old warping system in the new version as it seems to be a major complaint with many. I could not imagine playing a dj set on it, who has the fucking time to do all of that warping?

I can do it on the fly. Just takes a bit of practice and not being a klutz with a mouse.

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Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel i don't use it enough for me to make a big stink about it...but i was really wtfbbq trying to figure it all out. When i need to make edits, i just use 7...it takes me less than 10 seconds to warp. It seems to me that ableton should have maybe offered both the new and the old warping system in the new version as it seems to be a major complaint with many. I could not imagine playing a dj set on it, who has the fucking time to do all of that warping?

Only thing I really miss from previous versions of live is the timeline along the waveform in the clip view. The warping is cake.

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Originally posted by shaw I can do it on the fly. Just takes a bit of practice and not being a klutz with a mouse.

no mice allowed at the club man...1/8 notes lead to suicide.

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Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel no mice allowed at the club man...1/8 notes lead to suicide.

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Originally posted by Goebbel Goebbel no mice allowed at the club man...

Yeah this.

We had a big barney about this in another thread, but essentially I urge any DJ who uses a laptop to do whatever they can to avoid ever having to touch a mouse/trackpad/pointing stick/whatever in a DJ booth... the concentration required draws you so far into the screen that it stops any chance of you dancing or looking like you're enjoying yourself and in my opinion is the #1 reason why people think laptop DJs are boring.

Get a touchscreen tablet or sufficient MIDI controllers to mean you don't have to touch it, or combine the two and get a Lemur

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Yeah this. We had a big barney about this in another thread, but essentially I urge any DJ who uses a laptop to do whatever they can to avoid ever having to touch a mouse/trackpad/pointing stick/whatever in a DJ booth... the concentration required draws you so far into the screen that it stops any chance of you dancing or looking like you're enjoying yourself and in my opinion is the #1 reason why people think laptop DJs are boring. Get a touchscreen tablet or sufficient MIDI controllers to mean you don't have to touch it, or combine the two and get a Lemur

If you're clicking about non-stop, urdoinitwrong. If, for some reason yet unknown to me, I was playing in a club, I'd be sure to have warped anything I might play ahead of time, anyway: not to avoid looking like I'm concentrating too much, but because there's always that 1/100 track that doesn't sound like the waveform looks, and I'd rather time/speakers to sort that out properly than be one of a number of people surprised by it. Also, for loops, I learned long ago, that it's a far better idea to just have the track copied over & over with different looped regions than try to set them on the fly, since you're bound to click in the wrong place eventually.

There's no way to do anything useful without 'sufficient MIDI controllers,' anyway, though I'm sure there are cheap bastards doing it.

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I find it doesn't take me very long to warp tracks these days - maybe a couple hours or so for 60 - 70 tracks which is what I usually bring for a gig. I wouldn't suggest warping all your tracks since that's murder - just pick your songs as if you were packing your crate for the night and warp those. In terms of the time, it might be long but it also takes a long time to burn and label CDs so the difference isn't too huge really.

In terms of actual DJing I agree there are downsides, but there are huge advantages as well. The main reason I like it is because I can preview and pick my tracks much faster than grabbing and loading a CD, and can also change the key on the fly which is sooo nice. In that respect I think I can actually program a set better on the fly with Ableton - since I have much more time to pick and choose tracks, and can change songs around to work better in the moment.

As for crowd interaction, lately I've been really focusing on how I can DJ an entire set without looking at my computer at all. To do that I've been using two Novation Launchpad's to act as a record box of sorts - with each button representing a track that I can preview and fire without looking at my comp at all. I also am having some custom plexi risers made that fit right on top of CDJs so they won't take up as much room either.

Yeah there's a lot more to it in terms of setup and such, and I'm not going to say it's necessarily better than CDJs either - just depends on what you like really.

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