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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I've only opened Cubase randomly like 3 times in the past but I wound up wasting so much damn time doing tasks that would take 30 seconds in FL.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad i would say cubase is probably the most intuitive DAW out there. Extremely simple to grasp.

Really? I suppose it depends on the person but I found Logic to have a much better and more intuitive UI, but I did previously use Garageband so that may be why it seemed so simple to me.

Either way Cubase and Logic are my favourite 2 DAWs

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HERE'S A COOKIE CUTTER WORKFLOW PLAN FOR YOU OP:

1) Open cubase (you don't say!)

2) Set up a basic template (I've never gooton my head around why I had to do this - seems like a stupid unecessary step - seems to need this as a starting place where songs are placed). All I want is a new project end of, but for some reason you have to select a template to work from.

3) Now start a 'new project' - from the left hand drop down column

4) In the middle of your screen should be the main controller with functions like rec / play etc.
Chose a tempo by going to the right hand end of this controller. Select 'track'rather than fixed, and now dial in the tempo you want.

5) On the left of this bar is something like 'midi' - it's where you setup how the thing will record - I usualy set to 'merge / mix' otherwise on a loop you will find each cycle overwrites what was there!
Also on the left of this bar controller thang is 'quantise'. For now you probably want to set to 'auto'.

6) Selelct PROJECT from top menu bar - now setup the project - I usualy go for 44.1 and 24 bit.

7) Now 'save as'. Choose a name to save it with.
Now 'save as' again with the number 1 or something after your name (before the .cpr) so you always have 2 copies in case one fuks up.

8) ASSUMING YOU START THIS WITH A KICK > Hover with mouse over to the left side (not all the way to the left) and there is a column - if you click right in the correct place it will come up with a list of 'add track' options.

Select 'add vst / instrument' track
Then choose 'groove agent' as your instrument.

9) Set up a loop section. You just drag the left hand handle at the top of tthe working area to say bar 13 and the right hand handle to bar 14.

Click the loop tool on that central bar controller thang. It should turn blue when loop is on. Your looking for a roughly circular arrow.

10) YOUR READY TO MAKE MUSIC.
Go to the track containing groove agent you just set up.
Look for a little button to press that turns yellow - it's like a little speaker. Turn this on (mind you this is for a midi keyboard - I never use piano roll).

Open groove agent to select your kick sound.
This is done by clicking on the little gate / keyboard image to your left on the track.
Now the drum machine will open.
Use the usual load bar at the top of the drum machine to scroll through cubase kits. Minimal tech for example.

I don't want to overload you - just get to this point and see if you can record a kick loop first.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad i would say cubase is probably the most intuitive DAW out there. Extremely simple to grasp.

I found exactly the opposite. I had the dubious pleasure of having a crack at cubase earlier this week and found it EVEN LESS intuitive that pro tools. Which is REALLY saying something for me.

Coming from a PT and then ableton background, I have to say this thing is just a pain in the arse, the audio editing is even worse than live, and it took me forever just to work out how to open up a VST window once you'd instantiated it. It turns out its a tiny little button a quarter the size of your fingernail, which completely blends in with the background.

Now, I appreciate that cubase has a lot of great features, but the fact that it takes me several clicks just to adjust the volume of a track while I'm working on it is just not my cup of tea, neither is the obscure little VST edit button, neither is the fact that junk like the "expression sets" takes up more space in my workspace than the edit button for my vst, or the gain control for the channel. And to this point, I still haven't worked out how to loop a segment so I can create a drum loop and keep it rolling throughout the whole track.

My advice; try another DAW unless you're deeply masochistic. Like me, who can't stand the idea of a damn program beating me, so I'll probably try to produce a track in it anyway.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Oh no we lost another one. Way to turn your back on a good program trader... lolz.

It's a long story, I'm not abandoning FL at all, but I also understand how much I leanr simply getting new samples or new synths let alone a whole DAW.

I am not prepared to buy a new DAW because I fear I won't like the program or whatever.

However I have been given a fully licenced (& Legit) copy of Cubase SX so figured it would be daft not to at least investigate into it futher.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler HERE'S A COOKIE CUTTER WORKFLOW PLAN FOR YOU OP:

See that's what I am talking about.

My god, FL it's simply File > New. Then drag and drop your drums into the pattern creator. Viola.

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When I start up cubase I go

new project => empty

right click => Load VST Instrument

take pencil draw from bar 0 to bar 9 (8 bars...) => Double click and begin adding midi

OR : Press record, play keyboard...

repeat...

Receive song.

To bring up any vst instrument, you click on the track in the sequencer, click on channel on the left, press the little piano button. If you want your mixer for that track, you press the little e. You can also rotate through them by mouse scrolling or opening your main mixer.

The other wonderful thing is that cubase will assume all seperate "event windows" (where your midi is sequenced in das sequencer)

This means I can take a 4/4 kick track, copy it right in front of itself, and edit the new event without it messing with the old one. With FL you have to tell it to be unique...

FL requires an extra 3 steps for this...not to mention you cant line up your sequencer off of any specific event in FL, you always have to line it up in the master sequencer which is a royal pain in the ass when adding content.

Took me 10 minutes to make a minute long sample track in cubase that's automated, compressed, eq'd and mastered...

My argument is still : What you understand will always be easier, but do what you find best. (and in order to find out what's best for you, try EVERYTHING!)

So yeah, up to your tastes really

My friend really really loves reason and it's annoying "Rack" style mixer...I can't stand wasting my time with that...but alas, he won't give it up.

Last edited by theterran on Nov-19-2010 at 00:05

Welllll thanks for your input guys.

I'm deffo gonna give it a go.

Thanks again!

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Originally posted by kitphillips Now, I appreciate that cubase has a lot of great features, but the fact that it takes me several clicks just to adjust the volume of a track while I'm working on it is just not my cup of tea, neither is the obscure little VST edit button, neither is the fact that junk like the "expression sets" takes up more space in my workspace than the edit button for my vst, or the gain control for the channel. And to this point, I still haven't worked out how to loop a segment so I can create a drum loop and keep it rolling throughout the whole track.

It does not take several clicks to adjust the volume, and you can choose which buttons you want to display in which order everywhere in the working environment.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad i would say cubase is probably the most intuitive DAW out there. Extremely simple to grasp.

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