In 5-10 years those who love the current stuff will be saying the same things we are now about the current music. It's an endless cycle. Why do we discuss this every single year like jaded old bastards when we know that's just how music works?

Find what you like, ignore the rest. By all means have a vent, but don't expect things to ever go back in time. The only way is forward.

It's impossible to not find something you like.

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i thought the same, everytime you see a new name on ASOT you think, hey a new talent. With some research you realize is just a new collaboration. ASOT is a cycle of 100 producers, possibly less, closed circle and they are starting to own the trance market.

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Originally posted by Prototrance I agree with the statement that many talented producers dont get a chance,

As a consumer do you mind that many;

Authors do not get a chance?

Many painters do not get a chance?

Sculptors?

Actors?


Why should lots of us get a chance, why?

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Originally posted by Fledz By all means have a vent, but don't expect things to ever go back in time. The only way is forward.

Exactly.

I remind them of thier fave films and then I say 'tell you what, I'm going to make a very simlar film' they respond 'but I see no point in a similar film, I want something new', but they do not seem to realise that people want new music too, and it really is not all about scales and melody.

It's about defining a brand, an identity and a new sound - how else does the public cope with this wall of musak being released withoutn them employing some sort of filter?

These personal filters enable people to side step the wall of new material and not get bogged down with it all.

Make a business plan > define a sound > make sure it's distinct > sort a unique and memorable branding / identity > then market yourself IF you want to be recognised.

I find myself I am so bombarded by 'look at me messages' in everything I do now - and it's like, stoooooooop, just stop.

As such only the odd poducer will make it through the sieve.

LOLO - something that bugs me is still why more or less all uplifting trance tracks still sound very much the same - do people not tire of it?

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The trance scene could potentially be much more decentralized than it is, but the problem is that lots of people want all their new music to come through accepted venues like Beatport and with the approval of accepted authorities like big DJs. People like centralization. They like an easy means of knowing what is hot at the moment, being told the acceptable limits of what sort of tunes to play, even if it makes a few curmudgeonly producers like us complain.

Let's face it, if your not on Beatport and don't have "support" no one will play you. if no one play you, no one will spend money on you. So what do people do? make what the established DJ's fancy, be humble to them, get signed on their label and become part of the ASOT or TATW family.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles People like centralization. They like an easy means of knowing what is hot at the moment, being told the acceptable limits of what sort of tunes to play, even if it makes a few curmudgeonly producers like us complain.

Centralisation and filtering are very useful. Think about all those offers for cars or holidays - often you njust want a simple filtered hq option so you can get on with your life and not have a wall of info to trawl daily.

All this viral marketing by millions of bedroom folk has had it's day. People cannot cope with the volume of folk all wanting thier time and attnetion.

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Filter out grassroots marketing, and you are left with just the marketing by big producers, big DJs, and their PR machines. In other words top down control by the same pop machine that has been around for the past fifty years. Personally, I was glad to see the Internet start to demolish that silliness, and would rather not see it come back in online form.

but then again, both Tiesto, Armin, Above & Beyond all started somewhere. We can't blame them for thier own success right?

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Originally posted by Raphie but then again, both Tiesto, Armin, Above & Beyond all started somewhere. We can't blame them for thier own success right?

I have no problem with their success. I just don't like the idea that they (and their labels) would be considered the main conduit for trance music. There is so much more to this music than what the top 100 DJs decide to pay attention to.

when Armin Tiesto and all the big names started this was much different, like everything in life if you are the first to start something you accept some risk but if you succeed you become rich and famous.

There are very few exceptions of people who become rich following a stablished formula, the exception could be Apple who only improves existing material but well, this is another formula indeed.

They started mixing trance and producing trance, geting exposure is all about networking, and since what they do was new getting the attention was easy.