I like that alot.

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the lack of clubs playing trance is because of his lack of groove, tech house it's almost the same loop of 6 minutes length but very very groovy, people prefer this than something progressive and elaborated but less groovy surprisingly.

The combination to make a club hit is Groove + Vocals end of the story, this is becoming more clear fore me everytime i go clubbing

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I'm kind of curious where drive falls into this though. I always percieved drive as a form of groove, but drive always seems to increase with the more elements I have.

My perception of groove is the feel related to rhythm, while drive I associate it to melodical feel.. I think there is a tradeoff between this two. House tracks are more related to the first one while trance to the second one.

For me Groove is a lot of times = Sidechain and Drive = Good rolling bassline and hi hat patterns.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Full on trance with sick loads of groove.

It gets less groovy as the song progresses. The stereotypical trance hihat pattern has a lot to do with it.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos people prefer this than something progressive and elaborated but less groovy surprisingly. The combination to make a club hit is Groove + Vocals end of the story, this is becoming more clear fore me everytime i go clubbing

The best tracks for dancing, are groovy tracks. Not driving tracks.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux The best tracks for dancing, are groovy tracks. Not driving tracks.

yes that's what i wanted to express, reading my post it's unclear for me what i've said lol. Needs a comma before suprisingly.

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Originally posted by Beatflux It gets less groovy as the song progresses. The stereotypical trance hihat pattern has a lot to do with it.

Errrr the bass has a shit tonne of groove. Also the violin melody gives it tonnes of swing too.

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I prefer drive over groove, drive gives that heavy metal-like in-your-face-character to trance music.

Don't get me wrong, I like having a good groove in music, especially when the beat first kicks in. I just consider the drive to be what makes the track "full".

What I 'd like to see is to somehow transpose a track from being groovy to being driving, without the listener noticing it. Isn't these kind of minimalist approaches something typical for trance?

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I don't consider trance to have 'groove'.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Errrr the bass has a shit tonne of groove. Also the violin melody gives it tonnes of swing too.

I agree there are parts in there that are groovy.

This is the same kind of dicussion I had with Brad. I believe he thought that #5 had the best groove, but I thought that the melody kind of messed up the groove. I voted for #2.

There is kind of a spectrum between groovy and driving. Trance is more towards the driving end.

The main attraction of trance is really melodies, harmonies, and vocals. Trance songs could always use at least a little bit of groove.(Thank god for side-chain compression)

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

This stuff is kind of difficult to talk about because everyone has their own definition of groove. Comparatively, its much easier to talk about music theory or engineering, but its still interesting none the less.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.