Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The 7/7 and 9/11 bombers were mostly from Saudi Arabia, which is almost all Sunni. The majority of Pakistan is Sunni, just like Afghanistan, which was ruled by the Taliban, a Sunni extremist government.
Iran is Shia, but not a very "extreme" country, despite popular press portrayal, and has some of the least frequent mosque attendance of any Islamic country. Iraq is also majority Shia, but before the war there was not much religious terrorist activity to speak of there, and I don't know if most of the insurgents can be interpreted as religiously motivated anyway. Yemen is majority Sunni.
We can keep going and you can continue showing how clueless you are. Or would you like to stop now?
Most of that stuff is pretty common knowledge, if you read the news. I did have to look up Yemen, though.
Dec-15-2010 20:49
Arbiter
Naked Power Organ
Registered: May 2002
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Re: Islam is a Religion of Peace?
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Originally posted by Znack
Is the rise of terrorism and violence justifiably traced to the teachings of Islam, or is this call to war a twisted interpretation of the true Muslim faith? Most of the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims are moderates who see Islamic terrorism as a violation of their sacred texts. Is it wrong to let a radical minority represent authentic Islam? Has fear blinded us to its lessons of tolerance and peace?
1. There is no "rise of terrorism and violence." Isolated incidents of terrorism have been going on for decades, and there is no evidence of any substantial upward trend in the number or severity of such incidents. On the other hand, there is a clear trend in worldwide violence: a downward one. So much for the rise of terrorism and violence.
2. There is no "true Muslim faith," nor any "authentic Islam." There is no objective basis upon which to deem any one interpretation of the religion any more "authentic" than any other. Nor is the numerosity of so-called "moderates"--who, I would point out, are hardly unanimous in the precise delineations of their faith--relevant. That would be what we in the business would call a logical fallacy.
Fuckin' noobs these days...
Dec-15-2010 20:56
MrJiveBoJingles
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: U.S.
Re: Re: Islam is a Religion of Peace?
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Originally posted by Arbiter
On the other hand, there is a clear trend in worldwide violence: a downward one.
Good point.
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The present paper examines secular trends of homicide rates by means of a systematic re‐analysis of all available quantitative studies on pre‐modern homicide. The results confirm, first, that homicide rates have declined in Europe over several centuries. Second, the empirical evidence shows, that unequivocal decline began in the early seventeenth century. Third, the data indicate that the secular decline begins with the pioneers of the modernization process, England and Holland, and slowly encompasses further regions.
Originally posted by Kenny Rogers
news over here is pretty embarrassing stuff, i dont believe a single word of it - you shouldnt either. i read multiple sources and make up my own mind.
And all of those sources tell you that Shias are the most radical and violent Muslim sect?
Originally posted by Arbiter
Let's get a couple of things straight, son:
1. There is no "rise of terrorism and violence." Isolated incidents of terrorism have been going on for decades, and there is no evidence of any substantial upward trend in the number or severity of such incidents. On the other hand, there is a clear trend in worldwide violence: a downward one. So much for the rise of terrorism and violence.
2. There is no "true Muslim faith," nor any "authentic Islam." There is no objective basis upon which to deem any one interpretation of the religion any more "authentic" than any other. Nor is the numerosity of so-called "moderates"--who, I would point out, are hardly unanimous in the precise delineations of their faith--relevant. That would be what we in the business would call a logical fallacy.
Fuckin' noobs these days...
I see you've decided to board the Circle Line Tour of circuitously inferred logic.
You can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.
Ugh, you embarrass Denmark. I bet you're the kind of person who supports that horrible Pia woman, too, aren't you?
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Dec-15-2010 21:36
Comrade Stalin
Uncle Joe
Registered: Sep 2009
Location: Purging Traitors
Religion is all the oppressed people of the Middle East have to fall back on, when faced with their undemocratic, authoritarian, autocratic regimes, abject poverty, and repeated foreign military interventions in their lands, principally by Western Powers. Islam is no less a religion of peace than Christianity is. It's not like Islam holds a monopoly on brutality and war mongering. In fact, as much as Al-Qaeda has done in the last 20 years, they haven't come close to killing as much as America has in the same time frame.
Dec-16-2010 00:02
pkcRAISTLIN
arbiter's chief minion
Registered: Jul 2002
Location:
quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
In fact, as much as Al-Qaeda has done in the last 20 years, they haven't come close to killing as much as America has in the same time frame.
in your face AQ!
Dec-16-2010 00:05
ziptnf
Programming your future
Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin
Islam is no less a religion of peace than Christianity is. It's not like Islam holds a monopoly on brutality and war mongering. In fact, as much as Al-Qaeda has done in the last 20 years, they haven't come close to killing as much as America has in the same time frame.
