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Originally posted by VDub I learned York Soaring up near Arthur... Gliding is absolutely the best...

Nothing like it. Especially if you go on a clear breezy day and the the air currents keep you up for hours. Do you fly on your own? If so how long did it take you to learn?

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I did the instructing thing too many moons ago. I quit and went up north to find work. Pickle Lake, Sioux Lookout, Fort McMurray, Buffalow Narrows. Finally back down in the real world. The ride was fun and learned a crap load up there. Waiting for jobs to come to you as a cream puff instructor is the quickest way to add an extra half decade until get a airline job unfortunately.

Good luck dude.

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Originally posted by jad Nothing like it. Especially if you go on a clear breezy day and the the air currents keep you up for hours. Do you fly on your own? If so how long did it take you to learn?

I did the full six week course when I was 16...

I had my glider license before my drivers...

Only been up a few times since though.. It was too expensive for me at the time...

Last time I was up was in '97 up at York...

I did a 4 hour flight riding the mountain wave in Chile in '91...

That was pretty incredible...

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Originally posted by chinamon chinamon is INCH MOAN. LOL so fitting.

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[b]Originally posted by failsafe [/bWaiting for jobs to come to you as a cream puff instructor is the quickest way to add an extra half decade until get a airline job unfortunately. Good luck dude.

is it true that airline pilots are some of the worst paid jobs? I've heard that a couple of times. You'd think they'd get paid a lot for that job!

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Originally posted by jad Ahh that's so cool! I was pulled up by one of those when I went gliding. I need to learn how to fly one one day.

Glad to hear that my friend. Feel free to take lessons (from me, lol) anytime.

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Originally posted by VDub Passengers pay for the ride, pilot builds hours.. Dude you should go go Ft McMurray when you get your commercial.. A buddy of mine is there working on the ramp, making 70k fueling planes, and flying bush part time just filling his log book... You'll never build enough hours here unless you get a gig instructing...

1. Passengers also have a good time..

2. Working ramp is not my thing, but i wish your freind good luck. 70 K for ramp is more than what pilots get paid, lol. I doubt its 70 k, you might want to check with him about that.

3. I have a commercial pilot license (CPL). A CPL entitles you to make money when you fly. With other licenses, you arent allowed to make money. Instructing is also considered commercial becuase the instructor gets "paid" to teach. As a matter of fact, in Canada, you need to have a commercial license to get your flight instructor license (we call it rating).

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Originally posted by smuncky where do you usually fly to?

Well, 95 % of my job involves teaching flying lessons. Therfore, i just fly local to our practice area. Once in a while I get to go different places, but these days its rare. The farthest ive flown myself was from brampton to quebec city, with stops in ottawa and montreal enroute. The farthest ive flown west is Sarnia (i think).

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Originally posted by Ozmözis I'd actually be down for this!

Just drop a pm whenever your ready, Also, it would help if you can find more people (friends/family, etc.) I look forward to it

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Originally posted by Pett If you had a water plane and could drop me off at the cottage on a long weekend I would so be in!

I wish i could but unfortuantely im not qualified to fly on water planes (float planes). A pilot has to have a certain number of hours on those types before he/she can take people up. Im not a fan of water planes anyways, i wanna fly boeings.. lol

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Would you fly me btwn Windsor-Toronto?

The origin is brampton.... from there, we can go anywhere.... most people like to do downtown toronto city tours (fly around cn tower)... ive done those many times. But, like i said, we can go anywhere, as long as there is an airport to land at... and, you asking windsor to toronto or toronto to windsor?? toronto to windsor would work, the other way around, well.... its gonna cost some $$

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* is it true that airline pilots are some of the worst paid jobs? I've heard that a couple of times. You'd think they'd get paid a lot for that job!

when you start new in the industry, expect to get paid shit. Its a loong road before you start making the big bucks. In some cases, you might be with a company for 8-9 years making say 90 to 100 K, but then air canada calls you and you will have to start at 37K for the first year, and it increases slightly each year... These days (in canada), you get paid well when youve been with a company for a looooong time, say 6-10 years??

Do I remember asking you a few years ago if you take couples up discretely to join "the club"?

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Originally posted by smuncky where do you usually fly to?

let's go!

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Yup he's making that much fueling planes in the Fort. Ppl are making insane money up there and yes his ramp job is paying him a lot more than his flying gig. But he's building hours and thats the important thing.

It is true that pilots make dismal amounts when they're starting out. Most small companies, PemAir (still in business?) for example, where paying their Beechcraft pilots only for actual flight time and it was around $20 an hour. This was about 15 years ago..

But when you're a die hard pilot with goals of that left seat on an airliner, you suck it up and work for peanuts at first...

The end result is well worth the effort..

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Originally posted by chinamon chinamon is INCH MOAN. LOL so fitting.

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Originally posted by djshan The origin is brampton.... from there, we can go anywhere.... most people like to do downtown toronto city tours (fly around cn tower)... ive done those many times. But, like i said, we can go anywhere, as long as there is an airport to land at... and, you asking windsor to toronto or toronto to windsor?? toronto to windsor would work, the other way around, well.... its gonna cost some $$

How much would it cost for you to fly me from Toronto to Windsor? (Whitby to Windsor would be even better, but I could deal with Toronto).

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To get to those level of jobs in Canada you're investing about 60k of your own money into training, which takes usually 2-3 years to complete. After which you'll work within the industry making almost certainly less than 15k for the next 3-7 years. And after your 60k investment and time suffering in pickle lake you'll start there in hopes of making it to an airline. 2-8 years at a job like that, and you'll be considered by airlines like Air Canada or WestJet.

When I interviewed with Air Canada they were hiring 1/3 of interviewees.
So after your decade of trying to pay off your 60k of debt while working well below the poverty line, you're looking at a 1/3 shot of getting a job that you want. If you fail at the interviews then you can write off the decade and a half you just spent getting there.

It's a tough row to hoe.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie Do I remember asking you a few years ago if you take couples up discretely to join "the club"?

haha... i dont remember anything about taking couples up... but i did ask people to come along with me in flight, back when i was building flight time toward my CPL.