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Originally posted by Fledz Heh, it's amusing how excited people get about paying twice as much for something that could have been out a year or more ago. Apple really have created a mindless cult.

as old Infiniti moto went, "own one and you'll understand". it really is such a guilty pleasure to use, I find myself using mac more than my thinkpad simply because of the entire execution of the overall package. is it overpriced? yes. but so is BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and number of other luxury items. it is a luxury but a practical one. had it been cheaper, it would KILL everything that's out there. I bet rest of the manufacturers are actually happy that price point keeps so many people away from apple. Tell me, what happened to netbook market when apple cannibalized the shit out of it on one end with the iPad and on the other end with MacAir? Sure, those that want to spend $300 won't buy Apple but those that are willing to shell out $1000 for a laptop ARE BUYING MacAir. There's nothing like it and even underpowered, it STILL CAN RUN LOGIC! Pick up Sound On Sound and read review of MacAir running Logic AS WELL as a 3 year old MBP. That's some serious shit.

How about this for some stats: Apple and Samsung computers were the only ones that had a huge increase in market share, everyone else lost ground.

That should tell you that either A)Apple (and Samsung) are doing something right B)Other manufacturers need to take notice and change, lest they disappear C)All of the above

Name one product that generates as much buzz as Apple? Just because you feel it's a cult, consider that this is the FASTEST GROWING COMPANY... IN THE WORLD. They have to be doing something right for people to notice. Can you do better spec for less? yes. Can you get it in such a well-packaged end-to-end, seamless and easy solution? no.

like it or hate it, until other manufacturers start making huge progress, I don't see this trend changing. If it keeps going at the same rate, Apple will dominate the market in no time, squeezing out Microsoft from consumer's home in the process.

And on tablet front? Nothing within sight that comes close to overall execution of iPad. Limited? yup. restricted? correct again. yet it's perfectly streamlined for most of people's needs, meanwhile underpowered win7 tablets can't compete, because Microsoft has been sitting around, scratching balls while Apple has been busy innovating. Until Microsoft starts delivering a platform that's small battery and low powered cpu-friendly, Win7 has no chance.

Android? Forget it. If my experiment with Android is of any indication, I have no confidence in platform in the long run. The fragmentation and lack of control over app store will kill it for most folks. Fuck, I'm downloading a simple app and it's telling me that it needs access to my email, net connection, and bunch of other shit that it has no business of accessing. Uh...Hello Trojan? Fuck that. Besides, so much more is being developed for iPad than for any other platform.

Most majors are playing catch up, while Apple is leaving everyone in the dust and about to lap the wannabes 2nd time around.

haters gonna hate, whatcha gonna do....

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aNYthing, sorry but your whole post is a stack of opinions no facts,

I'm computer engineer and software developer, i develop on linux, use pc to send mails, but i'm also hardware freak, i overclock as hoppy, but i'm very good at it so i know what the hardware is capable of.
You can by a PC that shadows any mac on the market for 60% the price,
You can use windows in way that makes it atleast as stable as mac's os which most of the users never do, they confuse their working station with their gaming stations or porn watching station or whatever.

The thing about MAC you don't need to know what you're buying , limited profiles and models, PC on the other hand has huge market filled with shitty motherboards and failed dimms , so you need to know what to get thats the whole difference.

who cares about money, its about working without problems.

aNYthing. I tend to agree with most of what you're saying, except

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Can you do better spec for less? yes. Can you get it in such a well-packaged end-to-end, seamless and easy solution? no.

I think other companies could easily build something to match apple for a lesser price, they just don't seem to have the motivation at the moment. Hopefully everything you're saying will make them look up and take notice. Competition is good for everyone.

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Most majors are playing catch up, while Apple is leaving everyone in the dust and about to lap the wannabes 2nd time around.

This I also have a problem with. Apple do make huge advances in some areas, especially user interface, ease of use etc... But generally, they aren't technological leaders. They aren't early adopters and thats ONE of the reasons their products are stable. That cuts both ways though, they would have lost a lot of customers with the whole quad core thing, as I was saying before.

DJ_Kile is also rihgt IMO. But I don't know what your criticising aNYthing for. he was making observations about apple's marketing, design, etc. He wasn't saying they were technologically superior in any way.

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Originally posted by kitphillips aNYthing. I tend to agree with most of what you're saying, except But generally, they aren't technological leaders. They aren't early adopters and thats ONE of the reasons their products are stable. That cuts both ways though, they would have lost a lot of customers with the whole quad core thing, as I was saying before.

How many laptops are there on the market that offer Lightpeak/Thunderbolt at this time? I think it was a VERY brave move on Apple's part. One thing for sure - Apple invests into technology that is not only stable but also performs well. That's why in critical performance operations you see Apple. Take a look - all professional musicians in live setup are running APPLE.

I would probably venture to guess that because it is reliable... Despite all the advances in XP world, you just don't see too many rigs running XP.

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Originally posted by Dj_Kile aNYthing, sorry but your whole post is a stack of opinions no facts, I'm computer engineer and software developer, i develop on linux, use pc to send mails, but i'm also hardware freak, i overclock as hoppy, but i'm very good at it so i know what the hardware is capable of. You can by a PC that shadows any mac on the market for 60% the price, You can use windows in way that makes it atleast as stable as mac's os which most of the users never do, they confuse their working station with their gaming stations or porn watching station or whatever. The thing about MAC you don't need to know what you're buying , limited profiles and models, PC on the other hand has huge market filled with shitty motherboards and failed dimms , so you need to know what to get thats the whole difference.

I am an MCSE since 1996, Compaq ASE since 1996. I have graduated over 30 people who are now MCSEs, A+, and so on. I work as an infrastructure architect and have been a die-hard PC'er for over 20 years. I'm chosing based on my needs, not bias. For work - Thinkpad/Servers/etc. For producing - MAC.

Ever since I switched to MAC, I'd say that I haven't had to sit and figure out why every time I power on my system half of my USB devices fail to be recognized and have to be re-plugged. It just works every time. The constant glitches for no apparent reason has made Mac attractive for ME on production side of things.

Yes, I'm fully aware of Hackintosh - I just DON'T FUCKING WANT TO WASTE TIME hacking it together. I do plenty of IT work in my day (over 15 hours, at times). The last thing I need is to sit there and figure out why the fuck it's crashing on me. That time is valuable. You can't put a premium on it? Fine. Don't buy Mac.

So friggin tired of people judging others by their purchases. Fucking annoying.

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Originally posted by aNYthing How many laptops are there on the market that offer Lightpeak/Thunderbolt at this time? I think it was a VERY brave move on Apple's part. One thing for sure - Apple invests into technology that is not only stable but also performs well. That's why in critical performance operations you see Apple. Take a look - all professional musicians in live setup are running APPLE. I would probably venture to guess that because it is reliable... Despite all the advances in XP world, you just don't see too many rigs running XP.

Now your talking bullshit. I'm a live performer, so are lots of my friends, only about 20-30% use apple. Its simply NOT the case that EVERY musician/live performer/recording artist uses apple, however much they might have told you that at the apple shop.

If apple were interested in cutting edge tech, they would have put quad core i7s in their last generation of macbook pros. Stability, not bleeding edge technology is their priority. Don't be a fanboy. Apple have strengths and weaknesses, but you're just spitting out unsubstantiated facts to support your argument.

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havent noticed any weaknesses in my MBP yet (almost two years now). definitely one of my most important investments over the years.

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Originally posted by aNYthing I would probably venture to guess that because it is reliable... Despite all the advances in XP world, you just don't see too many rigs running XP.

they are probably running windows 7. Last OSX update was fantastic.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad they are probably running windows 7. Last OSX update was fantastic.

I meant to say XP=Wintel, XP, Win7 or 98

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Originally posted by kitphillips Now your talking bullshit. I'm a live performer, so are lots of my friends, only about 20-30% use apple. Its simply NOT the case that EVERY musician/live performer/recording artist uses apple, however much they might have told you that at the apple shop. If apple were interested in cutting edge tech, they would have put quad core i7s in their last generation of macbook pros. Stability, not bleeding edge technology is their priority. Don't be a fanboy. Apple have strengths and weaknesses, but you're just spitting out unsubstantiated facts to support your argument.

Ugh... quad core CPUs have been out for ages (albeit not "I" series). I doubt that stability was the primary factor, as Quad Cores are and have been quite stable for some time. Price factor may have played a role, if I had to guess... but then again, Apple charges top buck for their systems, would have been nice to leverage Quad Cores for the money people, including myself, have spent.

And congrats on being a Windows-based Ableton user, you and your friends must feel confident in your systems and probably spent a substantial amount of time ensuring it's stable. Not many people, given the choice, would say "it's all the same". I've seen some myself, however, when asked about stability on Win7 - many have said "yeah, I've had some crashes". Not to say that Macs are error-free. I've seen PvD's rig in Central park, running on Mac, blow up and forcing him to reboot with a live drummer trying to keep crowd moving while PvD was rebooting. Shit happens on any computer, it just tends to happen less with Macs, IMO.

And don't be a hypocrite - you're being a Windows fanboi yourself when you're reaching for personal attacks, instead of providing some stats to back your theory up. Fact: more live performers use Macs vs PCs. Prove me wrong, go ahead.

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Christ, how did a thread about the new macbooks turn in to a mac vs PC debate?

The same old bloody defenses and and attacks get put up, and no one is right.

PC's are great for those of you that want to spend time building your own system and having tons of upgrade options, but the OS sucks in the grand scheme of things, as it has to be compatible with so many configurations of hardware.

Mac's are great for stability and the OS is fucking incredible, but there's little that can be upgraded and you pay a premium for the design.

The thing that keeps getting forgotten is that macs are about a complete solution, bought as sold - the OS and software made to work on it is as big a part of the overall package as the hardware used to run it.

PC's are about options, and the sacrifice is stability and design, both in terms of hardware and overall use.

We make music on computers, and I used to do pro audio and broadcast tech support so I'm done spending time fixing issues on DAW's.

I want to pressw the powerbutton, open a sequencer and make music and not have it crash, ever. My 2008 imac has met this requirement with flying colours.

I don't want to have to build my fucking car to get to work, and constantly maintain it just for it to get me from A to B. That's why I will never use a PC again for making music.

I only use PC's as my business machines as there are weird programs and tasks that simply don't exist on the mac platform.

It's whatever works for you....but having said that, tehre's a reason nearly every pro EDM artist is on mac and 90% of all pro studios around the world use macs as their main computers, and, no, it's not because of clever marketing.

As for the new laptops, is good step - not a massive but the point of thunderbolt is that it's scalable - it's 10gbs now, but that can be increased over time to 100gbs without much new technology, and still using the same optical cables.