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Originally posted by EddieZilker I'm flat broke, poor white trash but I either buy all my stuff or get it free, from KVR Audio. I used to use warez but something about that completely affected the creative process for me and I've simply done better with my own legit software than I ever did with warez. If it's something that works for other people, that's great, but there's something about the way I feel about myself when I'm using stuff which is ostensibly stolen that completely fucks the joy out of the process.

There is something special about buying something, rather than download it. It's like this bond you share with the boxed cd, still in the plastic bag it came in, on the train back home from your vst-procuring trip to the big city.

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ALFI - BOHICA - DJ MIX (Stream+Dropbox)

get a room

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney get a room

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Originally posted by meriter Your primary focus should be making good music. That's all. No one gives a shit how you do it. And the people that do are fags.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi There is something special about buying something, rather than download it. It's like this bond you share with the boxed cd, still in the plastic bag it came in, on the train back home from your vst-procuring trip to the big city.

It's not really blind sentimentality. If there was a piece of software that was only available through download through a virtual point-of-sale, I'd still pay to get it. It's just more like there's something at the back of my mind telling me there's nothing to be - or that even can be - gained by using "stolen" stuff.

Having used stolen software, I used to justify it as a stepping stone solution - that when I had the money, be it through the shear force of talent and will or through success in other areas, I'd purchase the real deal and that I was just "borrowing" the software so I could be familiar with its features once I made the purchase. Still, there was always something which got in the way of me being able to use it the way I wanted to which just hasn't happened with software I've purchased. There was also a certain amount of chaos the studio seemed to attract, like some psychologically karmic manifestation which let the wrong people into my life, that simply hasn't happened since I stopped.

As I've said, I'm over trying to force people to behave according to the ideal for society I've fostered from my own beliefs. If people get money and riches I don't have from using stolen software, more power to them. For me, it's probably just a psychological lynch-pin that takes away from music production when I use warez. I can't sell anyone else on the satisfaction I derive from doing otherwise. I can only do it.

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Here's my answer. And that doesn't even come close to matching the download-only software that I've got on my HD (yes, also all legitimately).

BTW, there are other ways of getting free software. If you are honest, knowledgeable, reputable, and reliable, many software developers will give you free/NFR versions in exchange for beta-testing.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker If you guys want to use stolen software - I'm not begrudging anyone here. But DO NOT try and take away my sanctimonious self-satisfaction for not doing so, nor should you besmirch me for hypocritically lording it over you, that I don't.

fuck it, you've earned it. me < you

another solution is to win remix comps.
theres always free software and mp3 in the prices.

how is the company making anymore money ? I don't see the issue. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney how is the company making anymore money ? I don't see the issue. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

That's true for many people, but c'mon M4B, you're not stupid. We all know people who could easily afford the software that they rely on for music production (including many studios that are making money), but choose not to if the opportunity is there.

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Originally posted by Raphie It's also not intended als a moral discussion, though most of you know I have a very clear view on this.

Stop bullshitting, you know its going to turn into a moral discussion.

I bought Ableton Live 7, and then I upgraded to Suite 7. Big fucking mistake. Operator is okay, Sampler is the shit. The rest of them suck. It was honestly a waste of money. I would have rather just bought Sampler and called it a day with more money in my pocket.

So AiR releases Ableton 8.0.3 and there were a bunch of bugs in it. It wasn't because of a bad hack, it was Ableton who released a faulty glitchy product without actually testing the thing correctly. I felt bad for all of those suckers who put down money just to have the latest and greatest piece of crap version of Ableton.

H20 hacked Cubase and it apparently ran better because it circumvented the dongle. That kind of shit pisses me off. Dongles are just kind of a slap in the face for legit customers. "We don't trust you, and by the way: you can get our product more easily and cheaply if you just pirate it."

"If you don't support software, then the whole industry is going to disappear." I'm okay with that. Nowadays, everyone is fucking obsessed with the latest and greatest, and they don't get the most out of their tools. People are relying on new plug-ins to fuel their creativity which is kind of sad.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by cryophonik That's true for many people, but c'mon M4B, you're not stupid. We all know people who could easily afford the software that they rely on for music production (including many studios that are making money), but choose not to if the opportunity is there.

so the moral duty lies with the person. Why is that anyone else's business and why should you have to prove your moral standing buy not using it if you can't afford it. If you can be honest with yourself and follow your own set of morals, I don't see the harm. I find it incredibly ironic that this website doesn't seem to care about lets say iphone/ipad hacks and jailbroken software but pirating audio stuff is wrong.

and can we stop calling it theft.

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Mar-06-2011 at 18:00

well its Cubases own fault when using dongle lol - that shit is unacceptable, and asks for being hacked, even for paying customers. the same thing is happening with propellerhead now. I bought Record (cheap because I have Reason license) and that was a fucking waste of money too - that program is awful and I wonder what direction Reason/Record-propellerhead is taking by introducing dongle late in the 201 decade. I got so insecure about the whole thing that i tried to sell my Reason/Record licenses but that wasnt really easy as the combo is cheaper than i bought Reason for to start with. I still want to sell it as ive moved on to Logic and Ableton but now Reason 5 is out and my license is dated. Might as well wait for v6 and see if theyll merge the two programs and get rid of the dongle, i might upgrade then, but if not - fuck em. I love their instruments but thats about it.

edit: please dont make this a piracy thread in general. internet is still beta, stuff will be taken care of when we are too old to understand it. Apple dont have much problems with piracy. Why? Because its almost free and only run on their hardware. Good solution imo.