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Originally posted by osterzone But to make video after video with the same redundant talking points... Does J00F not get it that things aren't going to go back to the past? He's been doing these rants for years now and nothing has changed.

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Originally posted by osterzone I haven't been posting here much the past few month because, to be honest, I've gotten pretty bored of trance and other forms of dance music. I still listen to it every so often, but for some reason nothing really captivates me much anymore because mostly all genres have gotten to that point where innovation is minimal. Which leads me to my three gripes with the industry right now and the way it's run. I'm wondering what some of the long timer guys on here have to say about these points (guys like System-J, EddieZilker, etc.)...if they ever raised these same thoughts as I'm doing right now. 1) Across all genres there is no quality control at all. And this is not because Beatport and Trackitdown post up loads of garbage every day for sale by default -- it's because it seems like every producer is in a race to release as many tracks as possible without giving a shit about their quality. Instead, I browse Beatport sometimes and notice that some of my favorite producers have thrown out forgettable remixes re-released on 20 different no-name labels between their original songs. Why can't producers just take their time and put out QUALITY music every couple months instead of just throwing as much shit as they can at a wall and hoping it sticks? Slow things down... The only guy I can think of who actually takes his time between tracks is Lee Foss, and he has done some good work over the past year or so. But everyone else just releases way too much all the time, and it's impossible to keep up with. Labels can't even promote that well this way. Instead of "here's the build up for so and so's latest single, which is coming next month", it's "quick download _____ OUT NOW!!! with support by Tiesto and Armin". Then the next day they post the same promotional flyer but swap the name out with another track. 2) Dance music has become too predictable in terms of song structure. This isn't as much of a problem in some of the more freeform genres like ambient and tech-house, but does every other genre have to follow such strict guidelines? Every trance song goes like this: intro build breakdown/build mainlead outro **Additional note: must be 6-7 minutes in length ** Why can't producers make short 3-4 minute songs? Why can't they make songs with different chorus structures or intro and outro parts? The reason why I think this is a problem is because producers just don't think people listen to dance music outside of a club environment. This is why every trance song is written like some hands-in-the-air anthem...they think that DJ's will only use their track when it's done to captivate arenas. It doesn't always work that way. What ends up happening is that people don't play these songs in big rooms and the masses get a glut of boring, predictable anthems to listen to in their bedrooms or while commuting. Some of my favorite dance music songs the past few years are the rare ones that are written as if they're intended not to be played in clubs. 3) Producers are too scared to use different sounds. This is a problem in all genres. Trance is boring right now because there's nothing left you can really do with a synth setup, so you hear the same pluck/saw melodies and background material. I'm noticing this happening in other genres too...dance music needs to become less electronic in parts. God forbid, someone could actually: - Use bass percussion that doesn't sound so synthetic. Every bass kick in trance sounds like someone is hitting a stick on a block of wood. Maybe we could see some new drum sounds performed by live in-studio drummers? - Use different vocal or sampling styles. No more generic female voices or chopped up ah-ah-ah-a-a-a-a samples in trance breakdowns. Write lyrics that are about things other than love, or in tech-house, fucking someone. - Use different instruments on top of synth patterns, angelic voices, orchestral chords, etc in trance. Tech-house could try to be more electronic or something. But as a whole everyone is afraid to try something different. Tech-house uses too many deep male vocal samples and claps/finger snaps. Every wobble in dubstep sounds the same. Every chunky synth pattern in house sounds the same...and few actually think outside the box. Part of the reason why mainstream rap is so hated today is because the genre is suffering from this exact problem...every rap producer keeps putting their hands into the same rusty toolbox...so you end up getting the same dull beats over and over again. Thanks for reading my long, rambling rant. Agree/disagree with any of the points?

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pish posh he's not playing the youtube vids in a club.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker

The difference is that I only did that kind of rant once for discussion purposes, while J00F is trying to preach.

Weak comparison.

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Originally posted by osterzone The difference is that I only did that kind of rant once for discussion purposes, while J00F is trying to preach. Weak comparison.

Actually, the difference is that it's a professional discussing some fairly common themes publicly, raised by other professionals as well as amateurs and even lay-dilettantes, in the context of a 7 minute promotional piece vs. your less educated (but some may rightfully argue to your credit - no less astute) assessment of problems facing the scene. My point is that you seem intent on stirring dissent over the content rather than discussing the merits of J00F's points. That effort, in itself, is inherently non-productive given that your entry is offered in very much the same spirit as J00F and that it even mirrors much of what he has to say. Instead of capitalizing off of that in order to advance anything, let alone a simple discussion, you've chosen to dismiss it in such a way which refutes the usefulness of either rant.

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john fleming is a voice of the underground, someone who tells the truth about how super djs have bankrupted the club scene in the uk. I respect him for speaking out, rather than coughing up the same old bullshit that most trance djs say in their interviews.

I bet other djs say this stuff behind closed doors but wouldnt have the guts to say it in interviews.

WEST27THPRGRSV is the voice of the underground.

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Originally posted by osterzone Does J00F not get it that things aren't going to go back to the past? He's been doing these rants for years now and nothing has changed.

No, 1 thing has changed which was a huge part of the video; he's now doing his own nights where can control everything as he pleases. I'm not sure how closely you follow him but for years and years he was booked along side people who were completely irrelevant to his sound and like he said, he felt he had to restart the night (I can attest to this as I've seen him do it). If anything, he is advertising how happy he is that there is finally an environment where he can create the atmosphere that he finds ideal and that people who share the same interest can be a part of. We were lucky enough to have him here to do a J00F edition night and it was one of the best nights I've had clubbing in years. Here is the review (click) to give you an idea of the reaction to how people described it as well as some videos of the night.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced any party from 2003 and back I only remember bits and pieces...i've combined those memories into one awesome party

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Originally posted by zakquiney Judging the sound quality of vinyl from a Youtube clip? Fail.

No I got the copies here. To me vinyl does sound better and engineers that did the old sound systems agree. Of course you have to notice the conflict of interest this interview is from the pioneer pro dj youtube channel. Of course they are not going to have somebody say that vinyl sounds better. But I tell you this working for a distributor in 2004 was pretty fucking hard. People had to find new clients when there were like 10 record stores going out of business every week!

These people were paying DJs MONEY to switch format. Everybody loves a quick buck. Some didn't take the bait. Most did.
Fans got out the habit of buying physical product and started downloading music for free record stores folded, labels folded, people called it quits and lots of clubs that use to play underground dance music are now playing top-40 and the people left have switched to computer Djing. What goes around does indeed come around now there is no scene left for them to milk anymore kinda like the saying can't have your cake and eat it all.
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Originally posted by osterzone How many times is this guy going to bitch about the trance scene? Either leave it or shut the fuck up already. Things change in every part of the music industry. People come and people go....

thats like saying how many times is Danny Tenaglia going to bitch about cameras and cell phones in the club

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Originally posted by Scoops thats like saying how many times is Danny Tenaglia going to bitch about cameras and cell phones in the club

What's the backstory behind this again? Why would any DJ care if they're being recorded or not? 95% of the music they play isn't even theirs...

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Actually, the difference is that it's a professional discussing some fairly common themes publicly, raised by other professionals as well as amateurs and even lay-dilettantes, in the context of a 7 minute promotional piece vs. your less educated (but some may rightfully argue to your credit - no less astute) assessment of problems facing the scene. My point is that you seem intent on stirring dissent over the content rather than discussing the merits of J00F's points. That effort, in itself, is inherently non-productive given that your entry is offered in very much the same spirit as J00F and that it even mirrors much of what he has to say. Instead of capitalizing off of that in order to advance anything, let alone a simple discussion, you've chosen to dismiss it in such a way which refutes the usefulness of either rant.

Another long-winded, incoherent EddieZilker post that barely manages to get a point across.

And for the record, supporting J00F's points, on a larger scale, means nothing.