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Originally posted by Notle fuck you too

lol what? Rann is spot on. The thing is Genelec is pretty expensive in the rest of the world except Scandinavia (probably because its produced in Finland). In comparison JBL are fucking expensive in Norway. So in the end location is also important for price. For example a Mac is damn expensive in the US compared to other computers but thanks to their slightly world price politics its pretty well priced in Norway (more expensive than in US obviously but better priced compared to other computers here). Obviously same with Genelec and maybe also Dynaudio (because its European, german i think?). Gen 8040 At 2500$ in the US there might be better options, and its not far up to the Twins as Rann said. But here in Norway Focal, JLB, and not to mention the price for Barefoots in Norway (u wont believe me how much they cost here), Genelec is better priced and therefore imo one of the best options as they are suberb monitors. Ill agree with Rann considering the OPs budget: JBL LSR2325, or maybe the 8" version if he got a big room. However Im not very fan of the Yamahas but thats for personal reasons/taste. Anyhow I recomend him to save some more money.

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Originally posted by Conway Twitty lol what?

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Originally posted by RANN "stop fucking suggesting KRK's or posting up pictures of producers using KRK's."

I dont like this guys attitude, always telling whats right and wrong. I can see he knows stuff but theres no always right answers to every question. Atleast he doesnt know them all. Guy who started this thread wanted to know what famous producers use and i give him one view and then Rann comes and tells me you cant do that!! Funny because I didnt praise the krks or anything , i just post a pic. And if that guy in pic can make awesome music with krks so can everybody else. So fuck Rann.

some people can make awesome music on anything, that doenst mean everyone can - most people need every help they can get, and good monitors is the first step. weve had this discussion before. KRK isnt really good monitors, they are more home audio speakers making everything sounds better than it actually is. For djeing, pure listening, party etc this could be very nice. They play loud, slightly bassy and they sound warm and fuzzy. But they dont reveal anything which is a monitors main task.

Most famous people that use KRK use it because of sponsorship, as Rann said KRK is awesome at promoting themselfs and this is one of the ways they are doing it. The famous people using KRK didnt get famous using KRK, cause KRK havent been that long on the market. Its rather the other way, that KRK got famous because they are now used by already big artists (because they get money for it). These people already know how to produce so they can probably do it on anything. Why not get free stuff and maybe some money for it then?

Im just saying theres more behind stuff than people really believe in this capitalists world. Nothing is what it seems. Remember the interview on the dude claiming to be producing on computer speakers? Probably because he didnt wanted to choose any monitor to represent, even if he sure has a favorite. Its all about marketing and he was probably waiting for the better deal. I remember finding a picture from his older studio, with infact, KRK monitors. Before the interview. But on the interview he had removed them. Money related im sure.

edit: theres also personal taste in the picture. people like different things. producers most would want it to be as neutral as possible, regardless of their actual taste, in order to be critical to their own production. For this Reason many people have two sets of monitors. One for production, one for listening (their favorite sound).

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Originally posted by Notle I dont like this guys attitude, always telling whats right and wrong. I can see he knows stuff but theres no always right answers to every question. Atleast he doesnt know them all. Guy who started this thread wanted to know what famous producers use and i give him one view and then Rann comes and tells me you cant do that!! Funny because I didnt praise the krks or anything , i just post a pic. And if that guy in pic can make awesome music with krks so can everybody else. So fuck Rann.

Read my posts on this subject; they're littered with IMO in nearly every sentence. I prefaced my opinion with the fact I have worked in the pro audio retail industry, managing the sales of such items.

I also spent fucking weeks at my local GC's doing shootouts so i could make an informed decision, then took a considerable amount of time to share my findings in a concise review based on objective findings for exact situations such as as this.

There is no right option, that's exactly why I preface my suggestions with the situation appropriation options (busget, space, use, etc).

let me remind you the threads primary question was "what do you think about these monitors?". He said he had heard mixed reviews on KRK's, so I gave it straight.

They're shit compared to other monitors.

There's a number of people who have swapped from KRK's to other monitors and could not believe the positive difference from making the change.

Therefore, posting up pictures of people using KRK's is like posting up DJ's using Pioneer kit.

I'm not on some crusade against KRK (why would I be?) - I just think there's far better out there for the money and people buy them because sales guys have incentives do so and KRK market the shit of their products.

If you don't like my advice, then there's a simple solution: don't take it. I could care less. I'm on here more than any other reason to help other people and I don't need you telling me I shouldn't do that.

Conway i doubt this guy gets any money from krk. I can almost bet on it. (but i know what you mean) And i believe hes actually using them because i can hear his mixes isnt so good.

Rann: i dont give a shit about krks, just to let you know. I just dont like you (writing style) and your advices. Every fucking thread always the same advice. You ever get bored? I could do that too if i had no life. And leave my pictures alone, i can post any fucking picture here related to producing if i want to. I personally like watching pictures of producers because its interesting way more than your same advices on every fucking thread. I dont even need them, i already know the same shit.

Anyone else in this forum see here that i just posted a pic of a producer using krk? which i believe he actually is using in real life! Why because i think i can hear that his mixes isnt that good. And you cant find that pic anywhere but his personal facebook profile. So i dont believe his promoting them.

I dont have actually anything against anyone of your adivices. Little bit boring sometimes if i accidently go one of these threads I just dont like ranns offensive style.

Just buy the yamaha hs , i guess thats what everybody heres telling for ages.

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Originally posted by runcmd his (and the rest of us) give the same advices as the same questions keep coming up. if people learned to use the search, or we would sticky the most common topics, it wouldnt have to be repeated all the time, but as everything is now unfortunately we have to repeat ourselfs like twice a week. if you dont like the advices, and dont need it either, I dont see why you bother reading them, atleast when you have red them before. It would have been weird if our suggestions changed every week amirite? Ranns suggestion are amongs the few that are worth anything around here, I agree that is repeatative but thats the forums fault, not Rann. Im reapeting myself too with my Genelec and Echo Audiofire. And that analog is lame. Everyone has a mind and its not changing every month, therefore you get the same answers over and over again when the same questions are asked all the time.

Exactly.

However boring you think it is too see the same advice can you imagine how bring it is for us regs, who took the time to post answers to the same, repetitive questions?

So yes, i get fucking bored, but I still try to help, hence why I posted up my shootout and previous repeated posts, rather than typing out a whole new response.

I honestly think that anyone who has been on here a long while probably feels the same about such topics which keep coming up again and again.

Nothing really changes week to week on the monitor subject, so the advice stays the same at least until things eventually change in terms of new products/developments.

As for posting the pictures post up whatever you want but I'm just saying posting up some picture of a guy sitting in front of KRK's for monitor advice thread is about as useful as an ejector seat on a
helicopter.

And Palm is right, KRK do what Pioneer do (send free kit endlessly out to producers) so I would say a bunch of the pics you see of famous producers with monitors is sponsorhsip.

Remember BT and his M-Audio BX8's? They were god awful speakers and a load of dweebs kept buying them because BT had them (and been paid a bunch to pose with them). People eventually caught on in the end though.

And however offensive you think my style is (in all honestly I don't really gather why you think it's so offensive) I always try to help people wherever possible, and even if people do get a bit of a lashing, it's 99% of the time because they didn't bother searching, or think about what they were posting in the first place.

EDIT: Fuck this. Just look at the number of people they feature as KRK "users":

http://www.krksys.com/krk-featured-users/amadeus.html

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Originally posted by DJ RANN As for posting the pictures post up whatever you want but I'm just saying posting up some picture of a guy sitting in front of KRK's for monitor advice thread is about as useful as an ejector seat on a helicopter.

Thats because i dont try to give anyone advice. I just posted something i thought was interesting. My fault. Is every post here supposed to be advice now on? This is pointless, you dont read my posts. Carry on...im going back to my dungeon.

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Originally posted by Notle I dont like this guys attitude, always telling whats right and wrong. I can see he knows stuff but theres no always right answers to every question. Atleast he doesnt know them all. Guy who started this thread wanted to know what famous producers use and i give him one view and then Rann comes and tells me you cant do that!! Funny because I didnt praise the krks or anything , i just post a pic. And if that guy in pic can make awesome music with krks so can everybody else. So fuck Rann.

I don't think people are obligated to put an IMO in front of every sentence. Surely you can use your prodigous brain capacity to deduce that he's giving his opinion.

And who gives a fuck about what famous producers are using. They aren't working in college dorms.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN As for posting the pictures post up whatever you want but I'm just saying posting up some picture of a guy sitting in front of KRK's for monitor advice thread is about as useful as an ejector seat on a helicopter.

Some helicopters do have ejection seats. They also have mechanisms that throw the propeller off in the event of a crash before ejection kicks in, though.

Just sayin'.