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Originally posted by Andy28 Just a shame though that after selling maybe 1 copy it will still be ripped and put online. Back to square 1.

Whenever you sell music on a physical medium it has more worth than just a WAV or mp3 download. People enjoy cover and vinyl art.

People who buy vinyl could have some pride in that they own a copy of a song that can't be reproduced infinitely.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

The remaining question about vinyl would be: Would that be enough to put yourself out there as an artist and to realise a sustainable income?

Maybe I should formulate my question more exact: If you where a record label, or just an independent artist and have to live of the revenue generated by your music (and music-related) product(s), what would you do to make it a viable business? How would you stand out? How would you differentiate yourself from all the others in terms of marketing/communication and perhaps the use of the online possibilities? Would you intentionally move to offline media? What business model do you think will be the potential savour of the music industry

Try and think outside of the box

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

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Originally posted by EddieZilker http://www.informationisbeautiful.n...ts-earn-online/ Scroll down. It's ugly.

I think this really demonstrates that in terms of business models, companies involved in the music industry just don't have a clue and the changing of the guard from the old model (i.e. majors selling to music distributors who in turn sell to music shops) has not even got close to it's viable future. I'm not talking about what the problem is (we all know that), I'm talking about reluctance to accept the new status quo.



IMO, if it's true that companies like spotify are not making money, and yet they pay artists and labels so little, then I hope they go out of business, fast. I also think it will happen as more and more artists are removing their content due to the sheer lack of revenue generated for so many plays.


EDITED OUT REST OF RESPONSE: because (even though it sounds lame) I just had a fucking great idea.......

In a sense the model is just returning to its roots, with performance being the distinguishing factor in terms of financial gain. There is hope for producers on the licensing side of things, but it can't sustain everyone en masse.

Here's my thinking, outside the box:

Kind of sketchy but...

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Originally posted by Storyteller The remaining question about vinyl would be: Would that be enough to put yourself out there as an artist and to realise a sustainable income? Maybe I should formulate my question more exact: If you where a record label, or just an independent artist and have to live of the revenue generated by your music (and music-related) product(s), what would be the correct way to stand out from the crowd and generate that revenue you are looking for?

I think there has to be a market for it but audio quality is the way I'd like to go.



I saw this and remembered how events used to sound verses how events and other venues began sounding by the time I informally stopped going to clubs. If you listen to what this guy says about the sound-chain (And I suppose DJ RANN might have more of an idea if this guy is smoking too much of his own hype or not), he's proposing an ideal that starts out with a perfectly mixed, perfectly mastered track.

Like I said, though, I've heard songs I'd previously heard on decent sound systems lose their charm, entirely, when put through a negligible sound-system. If I were a producer who was confident in his work, I'd find a list of DJ's who regularly played on a Funktion One (or similar), and start marketing to them.

How that fits into building a revolution, in terms of marketing, is that, hypothetically, you're delivering a product to a niche. It affords them better control over what they're getting if you can consistently deliver a quality product with such sensibilities in mind as to be both exquisite and compatible with their sound-system. If you can get a select few people to do things this way, where you have much more control over the quality, then you can help advance product quality for Funktion One clubs and Owners. It's not some hyper-mastered MP3 that gets downloaded from Beatport and people should just stop selling music that way.

The other part of my recommended solution is to stop feeding the machine. I think a lot of people are mislead that it's going to be some milk & honey experience when they get signed to a label who's selling on Beatport but then the song doesn't make the artist more than $100.00 (but feel free to correct me on that - I'm certain there are variations).

There's also the fact that Beatport is involved in a law-suit concerning how it's leveraged its artist's bay out of Denver night-clubs it doesn't own. I agree with not talking about the problems as much as the solution, but I think part of the solution is not to be part of the problem. Don't feed it with the revenues it gets from your product.

Really, this is all just spit-balling here, but ditch the labels and start one up as a cooperative, where label mates share administrative responsibilities. The middle-man makes most of their money because a large pool of artists is belting out a large amount of product. Again, stop feeding this part of the beast and let it die.

Finally, there's an old adage that says, "If you want to take a look at what you want, take a look at what you've got." And really, what do we have? If you're unsatisfied with bad promoters and shifty contracts, stop playing the game. Drop out, do something else for a living, continue to make music but fuck the riff-raff.

It may take a little while for it to start happening and you'll probably have to save up for a few years, or at least pay a loan, if you really want to drive a used BMW but I suspect a comfortable living could be made with a little discretion.

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we need to take the game back. 2 years of parody dance music, by the time the idiots on the dance floor and the coked out douche bags booking the shows realize what they are gyrating to, we will have already made a clean getaway. check mate.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Here's my thinking, outside the box:

I'm impressed and feel like your text holds a lot of truths. While I do not know what the added value of audio fidelity would be to most people I like how you're talking about a niche market defining a scope (audience) for the operation at hand. Great thoughts.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

Sounds kinda like the illicit drug trade. Odd, que no?

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Originally posted by Storyteller I'm impressed and feel like your text holds a lot of truths. While I do not know what the added value of audio fidelity would be to most people I like how you're talking about a niche market defining a scope (audience) for the operation at hand. Great thoughts.

Well, I've been thinking a lot about it just because there are a LOT of people talking about the current state of affairs, in the industry. I'm even thinking of coagulating links to all the blogs, threads, and web video interviews into a single thread. JOOF's even been talking about it.

It's kind of funny how intertwined all this stuff is.

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Any link to similar discussions elsewhere is appreciated

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Originally posted by Storyteller Any link to similar discussions elsewhere is appreciated

Are you looking for the state of the scene type of discussions, such as the one in the thread by cryophonik?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...3&forumid=48&s=

It's duplicated in the OP, here:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...74&forumid=1&s=


Or are you looking for more proactive sorts, like yours - even though his take isn't really that pessimistic there are some which are downright despondent, I mean to include if only as a bit of an archive for the time.

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