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montana
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sleazy d - i've lost control is another chicago record using the tb303 predating acid trax. however, i don't agree with phuture being crap. 'spank spank', 'your only friend' and 'rise from your grave' were nice as well. i love 'acid trax' but nowadays 'your only friend' is more interesting.

about the ten ragas thing well, ye, this 'news' sent shockwaves through out techno elitists and whatnot back when it was brought back to life. there was alot of people thinking it was an elaborate richard d. james prank. most of these people were aware that the silverbox was used before 'acid trax', it's just, it's not uncommon for rdj to pull something something like this)


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how many times are we going to have to hear about this?


and acid house was a club movement before it was a genre. and it certainly wasn't a movement in bollywood. acid house wasn't one record, it was a constellation of records and sounds that developed in a local scene and eventually people [cough, the british] were like hey there's something going on here.

From a musical perspective, singh's music has very little to do with acid house as much as it it followed post disco. The people making acid house in chicago were getting their tracks played in sets full of post disco and proto house, etc.


I'm not saying the 10 ragas record isn't unique, it is, but it's not 'acid house'. It's "10 ragas to a 4/4 beat". it ain't any kind of house. it's got more in common with switched on bach.


also, just for some more context, as system-j pointed out, people were using the 303 long before phuture to much better effect. here's an italian classic from 1983 that WAS played at clubs like the music box, where acid house originated. and again, in italy, there was a documented disco connection. but i'd love to hear some indo-disco if it exists.

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That song isn't Acid House. You and the guy who sent you that are morons who probably have never heard a proper Acid House track in your lives. Be un-amazed.


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quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
how many times are we going to have to hear about this?


and acid house was a club movement before it was a genre. and it certainly wasn't a movement in bollywood. acid house wasn't one record, it was a constellation of records and sounds that developed in a local scene and eventually people [cough, the british] were like hey there's something going on here.

From a musical perspective, singh's music has very little to do with acid house as much as it it followed post disco. The people making acid house in chicago were getting their tracks played in sets full of post disco and proto house, etc.


I'm not saying the 10 ragas record isn't unique, it is, but it's not 'acid house'. It's "10 ragas to a 4/4 beat". it ain't any kind of house. it's got more in common with switched on bach.


also, just for some more context, as system-j pointed out, people were using the 303 long before phuture to much better effect. here's an italian classic from 1983 that WAS played at clubs like the music box, where acid house originated. and again, in italy, there was a documented disco connection. but i'd love to hear some indo-disco if it exists.



So what you're saying is that music isn't classified by how it actually sounds, but by which clubs it's played in and which records surround it? Come off it.

Again, make the crucial distinction between "using a 303" and "using a 303 to make acid-like sounds". The former was done by hundreds prior to '87, the latter, probably not at all.

No one is claiming Ten Ragas is the birth of acid house, at any rate. All that Singh is (rightfully) being credited with is being the first guy to "discover" the squelchy sound the 303 is capable of. Until someone else makes a claim, that is. Again, there were records before his that approached that acid sound, but none that used it so blatantly, for something other than a bassline.


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So what you're saying is that music isn't classified by how it actually sounds, but by which clubs it's played in and which records surround it? Come off it.



no i'm saying the origins of musical genres are as such. then they become codified. so if we're talking about 'the first acid house' it totally depends on if it was part of the movement which created the sound that was eventually codified and dispersed.

are you an ember's breaks fan by chance?

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No one is claiming Ten Ragas is the birth of acid house, at any rate.


i guess you didn't read the OP

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no i'm saying the origins of musical genres are as such. then they become codified. so if we're talking about 'the first acid house' it totally depends on if it was part of the movement which created the sound that was eventually codified and dispersed.

are you an ember's breaks fan by chance?


Okay, fair enough.

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i guess you didn't read the OP


I took it none of us were paying attention given that he only just heard about this. The article itself is sly - it never actually credits Singh's material explicitly as "the first acid house", but it implies it left, right and centre.


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I took it none of us were paying attention given that he only just heard about this. The article itself is sly - it never actually credits Singh's material explicitly as "the first acid house", but it implies it left, right and centre.


yeah, but the dude in the video is downright trying to claim 'acid house' for india

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my own definition of one of the first house tracks.


and here another random cool track (from later though but its cool):

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also, it's called acid house because the music used to make people run up walls like they were on acid. actually, there are different etymologies, but in no case does acid refer specifically to the 'squelch sound'. ie 'acid house' is not called such because there is a specific 'acid instrument'.

here are some acid tracks with no 303





(of course the original has the 303 squelch)

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So what are the defining characteristics of the genre, if not the 303?

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yeah, but the dude in the video is downright trying to claim 'acid house' for india


Yeah, well we can both agree that's bullshit. Making acid-like sounds doesn't make something suddenly acid house.

While I can understand your previously expressed dislike for the record because of its simplicity in copying ragas note for note, I still think it was a cool mistake/discovery.


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I think this is one of the best articles I've read on the origins of house music. In general tim lawrence is awesome.

http://djhistory.com/features/acid-can-you-jack

proto house tracks like this were the origin. basically just people stripping down disco and giving it a harder driving edge with machines, just as people were doing in boogiefunk with funk.

here's 1979 proto house


1981


and a bit later

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So what are the defining characteristics of the genre, if not the 303


it's a huge part of it, but it's also the 808 and he rhythm of course, the minimalism, the militant cadence, the use of vocals, the alien sense of authority, the subjugation to the rhythm and the sound. i was just trying to make a point that the presence of 303 squelch in another track doesn't automatically make it acid house or acid anything.

if acid house is like an alien invasion, the squelch is like the voice of the leader, the mind control aspect. but the 808 is there to keep you in line and stuff your body parts into little metal cages.


(sorry if parts of this are gibberish, its scanned from kodwo eshun's book 'more brilliant than the sun')
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Phuture's enthralling Your Only Friend is Acid's sequel to james Brown's '72 King HerOin, the electronic update of Roland Kirk's '69 Volunteer Slavery. After the pusher sells you to the Drug, the Drug sets you to work as a mule, sends you out into the world programmed like a medium at a seance. The drug becomes the clock which keeps time in its universe of unending servitude. In a Voice pitched down into the Vaderized groan of a Designated Despot: 'This is Cocaine speaking, I can make you do anything for me.'
Acid's 303 delivers you up to the Kingdom of Cockayne, accelerated into a powder paradise of endless cocaine. To dance is to be drawn helplessly into what the track warns against. Acid's sternest injunctions - 'You have been warned, I'll take your life' - incites more dancing, not as release but as voluntary slavery, dancing your way into a new constriction. You're willingly abducted by Acid into the Despotic regime that never sounded so good before.
Enthralled by frequencies, you're modulated by sensations of aggressive evasiveness and attacking elusiveness. You shed your life as easily as a snake shucks its skin. Slip from the morals inculcated into your muscles. The Voice of Doom decrees its death command: 'Take a shot from mell'lI make you fly/Take too much from mell'lI make you die.'
Instead of emulating rock's bass, forever stratified at the low end,
Acid exaggerates the Roland T303'S dry slipperiness, its glissements, by transforming the sound of the note, the colour of its tone as it plays. Filtering bends < >selects < >suppresses timbres, producing the aural equivalent of a tracer effect, a wavering sense of panic as the ear fails to resolve this slippage of overtones.
Acid is an accident in which the TB303 bass synthesizer uses Phuture to reproduce itself, to mUltiply the dimensions of electronic sound, to open up a nomadology of texturhythms, rhythmelodies. Phuture, Bam Bam et allove this synthetic, unnatural noise. Acid trax amplifies this sense of terrifying newness.
Nothing you know about the history of music is any help whatsoever. What is this noise and where's it coming from? Who are these people and why are they smiling at me? Brutally inexpressive woodblocks hammer out an inhuman irregularity, relieved by the stabs of bassic synth. The heart's beat is captured and cloned by the time synthesized into impacts. You become an extension of the machine which generates time. Slip through the spaces between the sequences.

No government can scare you into stopping because E, trips, hydroponically grown skunk, all these have already scared you more than they ever could. This sense of being snatched by drugs, of being kidnapped into your head, of drawing out the madness already in you: this is what the Darkside is. Everything the media warns you against has already been made into tracks that drive the dancefloor.
All black electronic musics have their Darkside, and Acid 's begins with Bam Bam's '88 Where 's Your Child, the Acid track as audio abduction, the sound that snatches you from school, self and society, that kidnaps your mind and never gives it back. Like 4 Hero's Mr Kirk 's Nightmare, it amplifies parent's drug-panic into a hilariously horrifying feedforward loop: 'Parents, Don't let your kids out at night/Don't you know they don't know wrong from right?'
Acid here is a psychotic sampladelia of whining motorcars, of vicious glass smash played as a 3-note refrain, of cars slowed down into decaying gong and intermittent baby screams. Bam Bam pitchshifts his voice until it slurs down into a sinister gloat punctuated by vampiric laughs. It's the sound of seduction every parent dreads: 'Where's your
child?/Do you know?/Look aroundlNowhere to be found.' Acid is repetitive attack patterns that perpetually climb, build and
fall, restlessly lurching from panic inducing trebles to queasy lows. And even worse - even more satisfying - are the voluptuous groans and sated sighs emitted by the voice as if it's stroking itself while recalling intense gratification: 'Nobody likes to be left alone/especially when they don't know right from wrong.' Where's Your Child hits a peak of sweet unease when Bam Bam murmurs 'Curfew Curfew' like an incitement to unnamed perversions, the enticing threshold into its ahuman world: 'You're all my children now.'

If Rock's archetypal demand is for satisfaction, tthen the RhythrTlachine's is for feeling. Fingers Inc - synthesist-producer tarry Heard and vocalist Robert Owens - ask the question for the 20th C djancefloor: Can You Feel It. 'It' here is emotion without an object, pOintle\s, careless, directionless feeling for its own sake. Fingers Inc demand thatt you feel feeling. Can You Feel It is a synthetic sanctuary whose edgele~ss tones insulate and enwomb. Its syntharmonic horizon reaches inSid€e you, wrapping itself around your skin, confusing the borders between, tissue and touch, igniting sensations of unspecified expectation, i"nminent immanence.
Heard induces a sense of sanctuary, rapt ton\es cradling yoU in warm bass, hovering at the edge of the horizon. Can You Feel It is the empathogen in a state of unconditional elation, lips pursed, eyes flickering at the speed of the sun.

When you're entactogenic, the skin gets tactile hallucinations, hears things, transmitting and receiving sensation-concepts. Eallows you to anticipate the beat, to slip inside the machine mnemonic.
The skin is the borderguard of yourself. As an empathogen, E affects the physical interface of perception. Pat Cadigan clicks the cursor on zoom: 'The way to change people's ideas about reality is to change the way they feel reality - literally.'
The skin seizes control of all the sensory channels, triggering memory skin, skin telepathy, finger-recognition, shiversighs, rapt gasps. The skin becomes an aerial receiving and transmitting everything.
Feeling it is the sensation of amplification, of all channels open, supercharged. Your body seethes; a planet of wetware as you dive, dive into the seadepths of your blood. Feeling is the result of all the senses converging at once.
The Rhythmachine values these peaks above all else. These nonverbal Nirvanas of total tactile telepathy are what A Guy Called Gerald terms 'emotions electric', the moments when each dancer in the crowd becomes a medium transmitting sensory current.

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