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Originally posted by Raphie just to show what a V-synth can do

Pad at 6:47 is sweet!

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Originally posted by Raphie just to show what a V-synth can do

I actually love the sound of this thing.

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Originally posted by Raphie But these type of sounds with that much texture, depth and modulation are unheard of in VSTi's

I get it. So what you're really saying is hardware is better than software. You're just too chicken to admit it.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I get it. So what you're really saying is hardware is better than software. You're just too chicken to admit it.

No they just do things VSTi's can't. Like VSTi's do stuff these units can't. Leave it up to you what sounds better or worse. It's all about what you're after and in the eye of the beholder...

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Originally posted by Raphie No they just do things VSTi's can't. Like VSTi's do stuff these units can't. Leave it up to you what sounds better or worse. It's all about what you're after and in the eye of the beholder...

well said that man

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Originally posted by Raphie Exactly, and remember, this is only Youtube, Don't thin kthere needs to be a battle between VST or outboard, both have their own strenghts. But these type of sounds with that much texture, depth and modulation are unheard of in VSTi's Ofcourse you have your fair share of sampled over reverbed pads and plucks in Nexus, but this is something else. The V-Synth can do 1 or 2 of these kind of patches at the same time (using chords) before running out of polyphony, but those are the kind of sounds that give tracks that bit extra even noobs hear. You can get a 2nd hand V-Synth XT now for around $800/900 also has a great vocoder and sampler. (much more useable than i.e. shortcircuit)

I respectfully disagree with this. The opinion is based on the invalid assumption (likely caused by misleading marketing practices) that there is a fundamental difference between synths like the Virus or V-Synth XT and any respectable software synth (Omnisphere, Zebra 2, Alchemy, etc.). There is not.

True analog synths like the Moog or DSI Prophet use digital controls only to control the parameters of the actual analog signal path. The sound sources and modulation are truly analog - giving them a unique warmth. Synths like the Access Virus or V-Synth are all digital. There are no analog oscillators. The only difference between these synths and a high quality software synth is where the digital signal processing occurs (your computer, versus a dedicated chip on the synth). There is no quality gain to the sound itself, the benefit is a lighter load on your computer since it does not have to generate the sound.

Before anyone jumps down my throat - yes, the Virus does have a unique sound. The Moog does as well. Its a result of the type of filters used. If you have a synth like Omnisphere that has lots of algorithms for filters built it, replicating the feel is absolutely doable.

The other part to this equation is the signal path after sound generation. Running audio from the Virus into a mixer before recording it will impart some additional warmth. You can reproduce this a few ways using using software:

1) Run the synth through a "clean" amp modeler using something like guitar rig
2) Actually run the sound out from your computer, into a mixer, and back it to record it.

A final thought - there has been a lot of talk about DA/converters and audio interfaces like the Duet. Check out this video for a truly enlightening experience:

http://audioundone.com/audio-myth-workshop-aes-video/

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I also respectfully dissagree, yes in theory you're right, in practise however things work differently, timing quircks, onboard FX, phasing of outputs, DA stages, dsp algo's filters etc. etc

Why hasn't there been a perfect Virus replica ITB yet, or a perfect V-synth or nordlead (The discodsp sound very different, though it even loads the original nord patches) etc. same for JP6K close but no cigars.....

Sylenth is a perfect example, great synt, excellent signature sounds of it's own, I use it for it's fortes. but it's can't emulate either the roland or acces sound, yes you can drag a stack of FX around it and probalby make it even sound better, I will not start the debate between better or worse, but you will not get THAT sound. regarding converters, there is great difference between chipsets AND inmplementation of simmilar sets in different devices. A DA is more than the chip alone.....

final note,you will not find MOOG or Prophet sounds ITB, you'll find emulations,but not the creamy dry punch and thickness you get out of these units.

Again not saying what's better, of if the listener will notice any difference. Don't need to go there, as long as i hear the difference that's all that matters right? otherwise i could settle with ITB as well, would be a lot cheaper

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LOLS I HAVE SAMPUHLZ AND VSTS IM A PRODUCER LOLS

edit: c'mon, how could I resist? anywho, always good to learn a thing or 2 reading this stuff.

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nice gear Raphie, do you got a track where I can hear that Roland synth playing?

Working on one ATM, hopefully post a snippet over the weekend

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Originally posted by helion I respectfully disagree with this. The opinion is based on the invalid assumption (likely caused by misleading marketing practices) that there is a fundamental difference between synths like the Virus or V-Synth XT and any respectable software synth (Omnisphere, Zebra 2, Alchemy, etc.). There is not. True analog synths like the Moog or DSI Prophet use digital controls only to control the parameters of the actual analog signal path. The sound sources and modulation are truly analog - giving them a unique warmth. Synths like the Access Virus or V-Synth are all digital. There are no analog oscillators. The only difference between these synths and a high quality software synth is where the digital signal processing occurs (your computer, versus a dedicated chip on the synth). There is no quality gain to the sound itself, the benefit is a lighter load on your computer since it does not have to generate the sound. Before anyone jumps down my throat - yes, the Virus does have a unique sound. The Moog does as well. Its a result of the type of filters used. If you have a synth like Omnisphere that has lots of algorithms for filters built it, replicating the feel is absolutely doable. The other part to this equation is the signal path after sound generation. Running audio from the Virus into a mixer before recording it will impart some additional warmth. You can reproduce this a few ways using using software: 1) Run the synth through a "clean" amp modeler using something like guitar rig 2) Actually run the sound out from your computer, into a mixer, and back it to record it. A final thought - there has been a lot of talk about DA/converters and audio interfaces like the Duet. Check out this video for a truly enlightening experience: http://audioundone.com/audio-myth-workshop-aes-video/

Yeah, this should be obvious to anyone with half a brain, digital is digital is digital. Doesn't matter if the 1s and 0s are coming from a SHARC or an Intel. Keep trying to tell Raphie that though.

Honestly, there's no point arguing with them mate, I've been trying for a long, long time.

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each piece of kit or software will be good at what it's good at. It can be the most crappiest piece of hardware synth that's all digital but if it has a nice buzzy saw wave that you like then go to it for that.
but in the end who gives a shit, it's about the music so lets make music