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| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Why? Theres no real difference between some prescription drugs and street drugs. Like oxycodone is basically legal heroin when people are filtering the pills and shooting the shit.
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There is - Oxy is actually worse for you than clean heroin (not that it's good for you either). A lot of the synthetic equivalents are much worse than the "real" version. For instance, with a clean supply of heroin you can be an addict for 25/30 years and not die - Taking the same amount of Oxy, even filtered, for half that time will kill you due to the side effects and problems they cause to your kidneys and nervous system.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
The pharm problem in US makes more sense than anything actually. These meds can be ordered extremely fast and cheap from a variety of websites on the internet. Certain drugs can even be ordered legally from within the US and they write you a script right at the website no questions asked.
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^^Herein lies the problem^^
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
So getting them into the country is easy. One site in particular half-price meds ships fvckn heroin into the US along with benzos, ketamine and anything else you need. Set up a proxy, get a bum to open you a POBOX and you're good to import lbs of this shit a day. I know various people who have made a killing doing this too. I'm not into selling drugs anymore cause I'm too afraid of getting busted but at one point I was selling steroids I was getting off the internet and making in the thousands every week. Theres a TON of profit involved if you consider the prices some of these meds are manufactured at.
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Yes, and that's because drug companies (and their lobbying power) are truly quite evil and know exactly what they're doing (more on this later).
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
And how is it "infantile"? Unless you mean the people taking DXM then yeh I understand that. People "robotripping" and what not thats definitely for the young kids to do. I hate the way robotussin makes me feel even when I have a cold so I couldn't imagine what trippn on it feels like. Its apparently like a k-hole but I'd rather just to ketamine instead.
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It's infantile because in most cases it involves taking things that were not meant to be taken in those quantities to get a rather crap high. You have to factor what else is in the prescription/compound that you're taking along with the active ingredient that gets you high. I mean christ, it's really not that difficult to get weed or otherwise just about anywhere else in the world. Chugging pints of cough mixture to get high? Yes, infantile.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
As far as getting addicted I wouldn't be too judgemental. I've been addicted to prescription meds myself and it is surely not an easy habit to just stop. The physical wds are one thing, but the mental wds are fucking hell on earth to deal with. And all you have to do is just pop a pill everyday for a few months for them to develop. Stop taking them and the cold/hot flashes start, sweating, shaking, diahrea, horrific anxiety, gooseflesh, headaches, stomach aches, nausea, vomiting, depression, anhendonia (in ability to feel joy), that was the hardest addiction for me to beat personally.
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I hear you and I'm not being judgemental - As I said getting addicted through being prescribed (something that IMO, should not be legal (maybe with exception to battlefield triage) is not funny and I have seen so many friends get hooked by dumbass doctors who wrote scripts like they were going out of fashion. That's a whole other problem, also closely related to the lobbying which i won't go in to here (for instance, doctors who prescribe certain drugs get perks in the form of drug company corporate hospitality and even bonuses for reaching certain targets).
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Coming off a speed habit will leave your mind spinning, but you eventually resent the drug and its easy not to go back. With opiates its a different ball game. And benzos too. I wouldn't wish that shit on my worst enemy. So anytime I see someone struggling with an addiction the last thing I think about doing is getting all judgemental about it. There are far worst things to be in this world than a drug addict imo. Like would you rather be a sober asshole your entire life or a polite drug addict? I find the sober asshole a worse choice.
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I hear you and you're preaching to the converted, I've lost so many friends to addiction it's not funny, and drugs are the lowest rung on the criminal ladder (if even at all on the ladder in the first place with things like weed) but that's what I hate about the prescription market. It masquerades under the pretense of medical licensure, but is
actually horrific in terms of the physical and mental outcomes of what they push, not to mention how they push it.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Idk man but this is one main reason I want to work with people that have substance abuse problems and emotional disorders. We are living in a very stressful world these days and more people are hooked on opiates than ever before. Thats a fact. Opiate use keeps getting worse and worse as years go by. People use them to relieve stress and they work, some people stay on them their entire lives. And only a very small percent are the type to actually rob and steal or use compulsively till the OD. Most of them are normal productive citizens like you and me. Shit I know an owner of a huge construction company who's been addicted to oxy for the last 20 years. Guy gets up and does his job everyday, hes a man of integrity and has manners... but he happens to be addicted to opiates. I definitely do not judge people like that.
I think theres far worse problems you can have in this world. But I still genuinely feel bad for people struggling with addictions. Its not a moral failing at all imo if they had any idea what that shit was going to do to their brains I doubt the majority of addicts would have ever used in the first place. All it takes is a bit of naivety and ignorance, then bam you're hooked for a long time. And coming off some of those drugs will make you want to die everyday you are alive and sober for months and even years afterwards. Its really a horrible thing for anyone to deal with imo, and the problem is definitely real and out of control right now. |
I too feel bad for people struggling with addiction, but my feelings are if you want to help someone or many people, figure out how to stop or at least contain the actions of the major drug companies. Start lobbying against them - I swear to god the amount of their product that gets consumed, and MOST IMPORTANTLY knowingly, for misuse is shameful.
I've met doctors who I've gone to see for say a genuine medical issue and they "so what can I give you?" pen in hand hovering above prescription pad.
One guy I know has been to rehab three times, and his doctor knows this, but every time he goes the doctor is willing to give him whatever he wants as long as the bill is paid.
The really fucked up thing here though is drug companie advertsing on TV. "ask you doctor about XXXXX today!"
That just does not happen in the UK. In fact it's banned, becuase you don't ask your doctor for stuff, they decide based on your medical condition.
At the same time, you can't lay it all on the doctors and drug companies as hopefully it's not all like this everywhere - some responsibility has to be taken my the user and addict. With some of the people I know who got hooked, it was a way out so they didn't have to deal with the pressure of finding a job or getting on with life. that needs mental health care, not rehab IMO.
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