my guess would be.... ME!!

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Originally posted by PaladinZero Actually, no. Satan is originally known as the arch-angel Lucifer. One day he questioned why it was God loved humans more than his angels, so he and some of his fellow angels revolted. God and the arch-angel Michael punished them and sent them to Hell. And I study religion as well. Right now I'm currently studying Islam. Not because of the terrorists. I've been studying it for a few years now. But I'm just trying to find the Necromonican...

k for starters, I am not a Satanist. I use the term agnostic too when it comes to my belief, to the extent that I do believe in a creating force, but I also believe it is not necessary a divinity... might as well be aliens.

Satan is one of the four 'devils' if U wish:

Satan - The Infernal Diatribe
Lucifer - The Enlightment
Belial - The Mastery of the Earth
Leviathan - The Raging Sea

and in fact satanism has the basis of a religion. but the whole story with the fallen archangel and all that is made by the church as far as I am aware. at least LaVey doesn't say anything about it

as for the Necromicron (if that is what U in fact are looking for) I happen to posses a E-Book (opr more... I think I have duplicates) and I also saw it in a book store.. go to Metaphysics and the likeness. if i find it (I am away from home right now) I might as well send it to U if U really are curious. also I have the Book of the Dead (Egyptian) and a couple of more occult and magick-related texts.

after Satanism I am going into a deeper analysis of the main religions and looking into their past.. I'd rather form my own belief taken from bits of the wisdon of the many.

hypRo

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"What is a religious mind ... one needs a radical revolution ... revolution is synonymous with religion ... I mean a revolution in consciousness ... so that the mind is capable of seeing what is true ... this is the way of religion. I think the real, the true religious mind does exist, can exist ... one can discover such a mind for oneself ... a mind that has gone beyond to discover what is true, is the true religious mind. I want to find out, through denial, what is a religious mind ... I feel that through negation one can find out what is true. So, we are going to inquire into what the religious mind is through denial ... surely, to find reality, to find God ... the mind must be alone ... a fearless state in which there is no death ... for a mind that is alone there is no death. It is really extraordinary. If you have gone into that thing you discover for yourself that there is no such thing as death. Such a mind knows what destruction is ... destruction is creation ... so for the religious mind there is no time ... it is only the religious mind that can be in a state of creation ... in this creation is beauty ... a religious mind has this beauty which is not the appreciation of nature, the lovely mountains and the roaring stream ... a different beauty with which goes love ... you cannot separate beauty and love ... and with them is passion ... one cannot go far without passion ... beauty can only be there when there is passion. The religious mind, being in this state, has a peculiar quality of strength ... so, the religious mind does exist ... it is apart from all human endeavours ... therefore a religious mind can receive that which is not measurable by the brain ... that thing is unnameable ... to live in this state is the true religious mind." Jiddu Krishnamurti

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Originally posted by hypronix Okay a while back I started a thread regarding atheism... one which got some really pertinent ideas from some of the ppl here. As I have recently began studying more and more into the mythology of cultures and the afferent religions and beliefs (at this time I am studying Satanism), I thought of starting out something about.. well conceptions of misconceptions about what's these days become quite a hot subject. So just post whatever U think of the subject of religions and their representants... peace out! and believE! hypRo

Well, i am a former christian now atheist. I was disgusted how the church treated certain people and welcomed others. I know the church is run by people and therefore cannot be directly associated with Him. However, i cannot support any religion that openly discriminates against others. I refuse to believe that a "good" person who lives their lives justly and helps others is going to hell simply because they do not believe. This is just how i feel and its not a reflection on how christians are. So please don't get offended. I am speaking from my experiences only. Since turning away from christianity, i have actually studied alot of philosophy. I came across a intersting problem with christianity. Gods greatest gift to man was FREE WILL. The ability to choose our destiny and the paths we walk. However, if God is all-knowing/seeing, then He knows what we will choose and do even before we do. Thus, in reality for man, free will does not exist. How can someone else know what we will choose to do even before we do? God being a all knowing/seeing entity defeats the concept of free will. I have posed this questions to ministers and church goers alike. For the most part, it baffles many and at least they are honest about it. Some others simply give the copout answer that only God can answer the questions i pose. Well, this is just my experiences or thoughts on religion.

for the record I am christian (not catholic).

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Originally posted by Elysium Gods greatest gift to man was FREE WILL. The ability to choose our destiny and the paths we walk. However, if God is all-knowing/seeing, then He knows what we will choose and do even before we do. Thus, in reality for man, free will does not exist. How can someone else know what we will choose to do even before we do? God being a all knowing/seeing entity defeats the concept of free will.

.. how do you come to this conclusion?

Just because God can see what we do before we do it, does not mean that we don't have Free Will.

I think that the catholic religion has some strange aspects to it, and I really don't understand them. Some contradict their own lessons etc. So I choose not to follow the catholic way, or any other 'labled' way. I take in certain ideas from them, from the bible, and then interpret them mydslf, rather than being confined to doing what an institution is telling me based on how THEY interpreted them. Some people who go to church every sunday, pray the lords prayer every night, and so on, may not actually be REAL christians, but people trying to, in a sense, earn their way into heaven. you have to have an internal relationship with God, without feeling obligated to do what he wants.

I realize how this religion can seem false to many people.. but I don't believe it is. Just actually think about your existence for alittle while.. Look at the millions of gallaxies in the univers, all the stars, planets, the earth. The complexity of the human body, the human mind... how can this just come into existance by itself? how is it possible that we are all living here, with an extreemly advanced civilization, if we originated from those little water cell thingys.
when I look at this stuff, I can just see that it is the work of God.

these are my views, respond if you disagree.

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Originally posted by DJ Chrono for the record I am christian (not catholic). .. how do you come to this conclusion? Just because God can see what we do before we do it, does not mean that we don't have Free Will. I think that the catholic religion has some strange aspects to it, and I really don't understand them. Some contradict their own lessons etc. So I choose not to follow the catholic way, or any other 'labled' way. I take in certain ideas from them, from the bible, and then interpret them mydslf, rather than being confined to doing what an institution is telling me based on how THEY interpreted them. Some people who go to church every sunday, pray the lords prayer every night, and so on, may not actually be REAL christians, but people trying to, in a sense, earn their way into heaven. you have to have an internal relationship with God, without feeling obligated to do what he wants. I realize how this religion can seem false to many people.. but I don't believe it is. Just actually think about your existence for alittle while.. Look at the millions of gallaxies in the univers, all the stars, planets, the earth. The complexity of the human body, the human mind... how can this just come into existance by itself? how is it possible that we are all living here, with an extreemly advanced civilization, if we originated from those little water cell thingys. when I look at this stuff, I can just see that it is the work of God. these are my views, respond if you disagree.

First, if God can truly see everything and know what we will do even before we do it, Free Will cannot exist. How can someone else know what we will do even before we have decided. For example, lets say u are a store debating whether to buy a coke or pepsi. Since, the definition of God is omnipotent, He can see the past, now, and the future. So even before u decide which cola to buy, God will know what u will choose. Where it might seem to us, we have made this choice of our own volition, in actuality God knows the choices we will make all along. If God is truly omnipotent,all knowing, all seeing, He will already know all the choices we make before we even make them. Thus, our destiny is pre-determined. This leaves me to 2 conclusions. Either, the idea of free will is a complete fallacy or God is not omnipotent. You can choose to believe either one. I have concluded from my readings that the concept of Free Will is contradicted by the existence of God itself. I do agree with taking ideas and lessons from the bible and and incorporating them into my life and have done so. But, i am one of those people who believe that the Bible ws simply meant to be a guide. There are alot of people who literally think that what is descibed in the bible actually happened. Plus, you are right when it comes to interpretations. It can lead to many different conclusions. But its what angers me. People who take things into their own hands. People killing abortion doctors claiming they are messengers of God, hating on gay people etc etc. what angers me about religion and people is the lack of respect for everything else that isn't included within its guidelines. as for comteplating my origins and surroundings, sometimes i do wonder how it all began. For this i have no answer. But religious or not, i think the most important thing is Faith. I have it in myself and the people around me and in life. I don't feel that faith in God is of any consequence as long as i have it in my life.

Hehehee, I got such stick in High School from some of my classmates.
Get this, I r agnostic/athiest (in that I dont believe in a higher power, but something more like karma) and some of my classmate were (at least they believed so) very religious. I was in a Christian school.

So whenever there was a religious debate, and I'd air a scientific/objective view, I would get stick. I mean c'mon! My main cause for grief was this stupid cow. Considered herself to be oh so religious, yet had a child at 16 and goes out and gets pissed every week-end

I would use a simple statement like "So it's 'An eye for an eye' yet we must 'turn the other cheek' too?" This would get them riled up.
The bible is too contradictory for me. And a bit too far fetched for be to believe, as I have have read sci-fi books more believable.
If I can see some proof, other than a really old and long bed time story, then mebbe I will belive in something.

Right now, I believe in morals. Good things happen to good people, what goes around comes around.

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I was raised be NOT a christian. My parents send me to a christian primary school (not that strict but okay). I don't seem to have any permanent braindamage from that time...

No but seriously, I am an atheist and I am happy I've got that experience with the christian believe. I've lost faith in the believe when I found out that there were no hard proofs of the existance of any god. Maybe also because I went to I public highschool.

And what I always say about the christians...

How can you trust in a book that has been written 2000 years ago or something. In the time ppl couldn't explain what something meant, so they pointed at a GOD.

(this is MY opinion okay, leave me in one piece)

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Originally posted by hypronix Satan - The Infernal Diatribe Lucifer - The Enlightment Belial - The Mastery of the Earth Leviathan - The Raging Sea hypRo

huh a leviathan is most certainly got nothing to do with satan mate. It's a prehistor beast or quite probably a dinosaur as we'd call it.

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