Rann: know what your saying about a great vocal mic - but i dont do as much recording as my studio partner so for me its not worth the money. What i needed really was a good showpiece synth that can impress clients and make fantastic sounds.

went with a virus TI - found a B stock polar darkstar version for £1400.00! had £500 knocked off for a knackered box. arrived today. late night tonight i think!

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Originally posted by studiobob What i needed really was a good showpiece synth that can impress clients and make fantastic sounds.

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Originally posted by Inner Sanctum Many/most of those ARE made with software, so buying hardware isn't all of a sudden going to give you a huge sound. No offense, but if you can't get hugeness from Zebra, Omnisphere, Massive, etc., the problem isn't the synth. That said, there are many good reasons to go with a nice hardware synth. Personally, I'd go with the Virus TI for pure flexibility/features and a huge sound design palette, not to mention that it is a great controller with one of the nicest keybeds on the market. But, if you can find an Andy in your price range, that would be tempting as well and it will probably hold its resale value better. Moogs are very limited and sorta boring IMO, but if you really feel that you need an analogue monosynth with "that sound", go for it.

cheers for the advice i know what you mean about re software. I have used sylenth for some time and i've tried a demo of massive... but having played on the TI on my own setup when a friend brought his over there is a definite difference. plus its much more hands on and much more playable than using software. and it impresses people - theres no denying it.

was toying with the mooog but didnt want a monophonic synth

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Originally posted by studiobob cheers for the advice i know what you mean about re software. I have used sylenth for some time and i've tried a demo of massive... but having played on the TI on my own setup when a friend brought his over there is a definite difference. plus its much more hands on and much more playable than using software. and it impresses people - theres no denying it.

Well the TI is only software, but the physical aspect often causes great bouts of inspiration that we interpret as better sound. IMO

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Originally posted by studiobob Rann: know what your saying about a great vocal mic - but i dont do as much recording as my studio partner so for me its not worth the money. What i needed really was a good showpiece synth that can impress clients and make fantastic sounds. went with a virus TI - found a B stock polar darkstar version for £1400.00! had £500 knocked off for a knackered box. arrived today. late night tonight i think!

Fair enough, and I suppose if you only do it occasionally, it's might be more cost effective to rent or borrow one for a great vocal talent.

Also, you can't underestimate that wow factor that certain kit brings to clients. I used to sell pro audio audio equipment and had a lot of big spending clients who bought big desks and serious keyboards just to look impressive in the studio - and the kit would pay for itself in no time.

It's a big reason why so many protools rigs were sold - a lot of it is because clients expect expected to see it, even though there were better sounding and more functional options readily available at less money.

@skyhunter - that's not quite true in this case; there's no Virus VST (and the powercore does not count), so if you want that virus sound, you're only going to get it by buying hardware. Yes, some synths sound similar, but you can say that of any hardware synth....close but no cigar.

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Originally posted by studiobob Rann: know what your saying about a great vocal mic - but i dont do as much recording as my studio partner so for me its not worth the money. What i needed really was a good showpiece synth that can impress clients and make fantastic sounds. went with a virus TI - found a B stock polar darkstar version for £1400.00! had £500 knocked off for a knackered box. arrived today. late night tonight i think!

Fair enough, and I suppose if you only do it occasionally, it's might be more cost effective to rent or borrow one for a great vocal talent.

Also, you can't underestimate that wow factor that certain kit brings to clients. I used to sell pro audio audio equipment and had a lot of big spending clients who bought big desks and serious keyboards just to look impressive in the studio - and the kit would pay for itself in no time.

It's a big reason why so many protools rigs were sold - a lot of it is because clients expect expected to see it, even though there were better sounding and more functional options readily available at less money.

@skyhunter - that's not quite true in this case; there's no Virus VST (and the powercore does not count), so if you want that virus sound, you're only going to get it by buying hardware. Yes, some synths sound similar, but you can say that of any hardware synth....close but no cigar.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN @skyhunter - that's not quite true in this case; there's no Virus VST (and the powercore does not count), so if you want that virus sound, you're only going to get it by buying hardware. Yes, some synths sound similar, but you can say that of any hardware synth....close but no cigar.

I'm not trying to say it's just a VST, I'm just saying it's not analog, it's run by software.

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Originally posted by skyhunter I'm not trying to say it's just a VST, I'm just saying it's not analog, it's run by software.

I know, but you can't get it anywhere else, so if you want that sound, regardless of digital or analogue etc, you'd have to buy that hardware.

Waldorf made that mistake (doing vst versions of their digital synths) and it ended up sinking the company.

Regardless of this though, if you have two studios, one which has a ton of plugins and softsynths and one that has a matched amount of hardware synths and outboard, I can guarantee you the one that the one with all the hardware will do more business with clients, becuase just like women, they like to see big impressive knobs (and play with them).

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Regardless of this though, if you have two studios, one which has a ton of plugins and softsynths and one that has a matched amount of hardware synths and outboard, I can guarantee you the one that the one with all the hardware will do more business with clients, becuase just like women, they like to see big impressive knobs (and play with them).

True, I don't disagree. Hardware is impressive.

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Originally posted by skyhunter I'm not trying to say it's just a VST, I'm just saying it's not analog, it's run by software.

was never after analog... was after a synth that makes awesome sounds. i dont care about the format. and having tried out the TI last night it puts the softsynths i have to shame. the filters are smooth as anything, the bass is immense... everything i wanted

plus I can run it through some outboard to make it sound even better before it hits the mac.

only slight annoyance was it didnt come with the TI software, so have to download it. which forces me to register. dont see the reason for that at all.

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