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Originally posted by jester Just remember you are still stuck paying Uncle Sam if you do not give up your US citizenship

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy ...it's going to be a big blame game.

truth

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Originally posted by VAR truth

It already has, for years. That's partially why we're in this predicament.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Yeah, good luck with that thought...it's going to be a big blame game. The Teabaggers will blame Obama for the Stimulus (40% tax cuts), TARP (a Bush program...that didn't lose money. I saw someone say this week that we "spent" $700 billion, when most has been paid back, with interest), and Obamacare that hasn't even been implemented yet. The Dems will bitch about Wall Street (who paid back, with help from the low interest rates created by the government) and tax cuts that don't produce anything (true, have you seen all the jobs created by the Bush tax cuts?).

the only graph you need to look at:

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Originally posted by The17sss the only graph you need to look at:

Yeah, Obama just was begging to spend more money. He walked into a utopia and just squandered it.

I'd ask if you are you kidding, but I know better. You know what got us out of the Great Depression, two big stimulus packages (New Deal and World War 2 spending), and a loss of life that affected who was available for employment, thus lowering unemployment.

Secondly, that graph is COMPLETE BULLSHIT and you know better. Bush didn't even bother to put the wars on budget, which was a big hit when Obama did.

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Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
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Originally posted by OrangestO ???

If you move to Canada and still are a US citizen. The IRS still can tax you.

Read

There is even a story, this woman was born in the US but has been living in Canada for 50 years and the IRS is going after her. Even though she never lived a day of her life in the US.

So if you do come here, cut off all ties to the US.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Yeah, he was a moron for not understanding how much the Tea Party was removed from reality. Fuck, when you see politicians like Bachmann, Joe Walsh, and Steve King saying that DEFAULTING won't be a big deal (when today's S&P move obviously showed that to be fucking lunacy), what do you expect?

No, what they were saying was that there was no reason to fear default because we had plenty of money coming into the treasury to cover monthly debt service and entitlement commitments. Stop spinning it. It was the lunatic Left's economic mouthpiece Paul Krugman who said "if we default, so what."

Why are Democrats under the impression that the Tea Party people are happy with what just happened? They aren't... and the ONLY bill they supported, Cut Cap & Balance, which passed in the House, is also the ONLY bill that all the ratings agencies said would absolutely prevent a downgrade because it would have shown our political leaders are actually serious about righting the ship.

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Originally posted by The17sss the only graph you need to look at:

This is exactly the problem. You want to point at graphs, yet those graphs came to be what they are due to certain consequences of past decisions.

Pointing fingers is all Americans know how to do. That finger is going to shove itself right into the asshole of this country and fuck itself into a state of economic despair.

I'm down for growing some balls and treating this like the 60's. Revolution is the only way to go, at this point. Otherwise, the "suits" will continue to do what they've done and we won't go anywhere but into the ground without a fight or a voice.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Yeah, Obama just was begging to spend more money. He walked into a utopia and just squandered it. I'd ask if you are you kidding, but I know better. You know what got us out of the Great Depression, two big stimulus packages (New Deal and World War 2 spending), and a loss of life that affected who was available for employment, thus lowering unemployment.

Excuse me!? Obama hasn't been begging to spend more money? That's all he fucking does and wants to do!

blah blah blah... there have been plenty of studies burying that tired bullshit about the Great Depression you are spouting, showing how FDR's policies unnecessarily prolonged it. The economy eventually recovered IN SPITE of his epic spending.

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Originally posted by The17sss No, what they were saying was that there was no reason to fear default because we had plenty of money coming into the treasury to cover monthly debt service and entitlement commitments. Stop spinning it. It was the lunatic Left's economic mouthpiece Paul Krugman who said "if we default, so what." Why are Democrats under the impression that the Tea Party people are happy with what just happened? They aren't... and the ONLY bill they supported, Cut Cap & Balance, which passed in the House, is also the ONLY bill that all the ratings agencies said would absolutely prevent a downgrade because it would have shown our political leaders are actually serious about righting the ship.

I'm just curious, what is the Republican view on the banks doing "universal default?" In the way our system has worked, you fail to pay Citi for a credit card and just pay BoA, you're getting slammed by both for increased rates.

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul

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Originally posted by The17sss Excuse me!? Obama hasn't been begging to spend more money? That's all he fucking does and wants to do! blah blah blah... there have been plenty of studies burying that tired bullshit about the Great Depression you are spouting, showing how FDR's policies unnecessarily prolonged it. The economy eventually recovered IN SPITE of his epic spending.

I said that was that he walked in wanting to do that...out of principle. Out of reality, yes, he did ask to do it.

Just curious, how do you think the Great Depression ended?

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"Go back to bed america your government is in control
Here's American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it,
Watch these picturary retards bang their fuckin' skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom,
Here you go America you are free to do as we tell you
We want your soul
Your cash, your house, your phone, your cash, your house, your life" -Adam Freeland - We Want Your Soul