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Originally posted by Lira Come on, Nou, you're being childish now! This is just like an Anti-American dunce saying Mericans are stupid just because they're born in a particular place

You forget that there are a lot of Italians that came to the US.

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Originally posted by Lira Come on, Nou, you're being childish now! This is just like an Anti-American dunce saying Mericans are stupid just because they're born in a particular place

Quiet you! It confers so much more legitimacy onto his complaints regarding Italian judicial inadequacy when it plainly comes from his own prejudicial bias.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby You forget that there are a lot of Italians that came to the US.

True, but many more came to Brazil, so it's like a circle unjerk

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Seriously though if you want to make that argument... Most Italians descend from a pretty much the same stock, they are Italians through and through, you can trace lineages back hundreds and hundreds of years and usually they wont stray far beyond what Italy is today. That is the case for a lot of parts in Europe. So yes, you could argue that if Italians consistently say and do stupid shit its probably because they were born there.

The US is a nation of immigrants from all over the world, our lineage here can be traced back not nearly as long as it could in Italy and not nearly as widely as it could in Italy. A lot of our population is only a few generations old, with most people only settling here in the 19th century.

I am not saying that the US is less stupid than Italy, I am saying that Americans are stupid for different reasons.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Seriously though if you want to make that argument... Most Italians descend from a pretty much the same stock, they are Italians through and through, you can trace lineages back hundreds and hundreds of years and usually they wont stray far beyond what Italy is today. That is the case for a lot of parts in Europe. So yes, you could argue that if Italians consistently say and do stupid shit its probably because they were born there.

Actually, Nou, there have been massive migrations in and out the Italian Peninsula for ages. Pretty much everyone southwards from the Rio Grande (and sizeable populations in both countries northwards), and pretty much the whole of Western Europe - the UK included - either speaks a Latin language or speaks a language largely influenced by Latin (English comes here), having been influenced both culturally and genetically by the . Roman settlers went as far as England, as you probably remember, and then during the Middle Ages the Italian Peninsula was repopulated with even more outsiders, who also came to settle in other areas of Europe. Given the usual trade in the Mediterranean, to claim "Italians are stupid because they were born there" is akin to saying "Europe and North America are made up of idiots". That's misanthropy more than anything remotely close to the truth.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby The US is a nation of immigrants from all over the world, our lineage here can be traced back not nearly as long as it could in Italy and not nearly as widely as it could in Italy. A lot of our population is only a few generations old, with most people only settling here in the 19th century.

And all these immigrants were either Italian or ethnic groups (in)directly influenced by the Italians.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I am not saying that the US is less stupid than Italy, I am saying that Americans are stupid for different reasons.

And I'm saying that, if Italians are stupid, then Americans ought to be stupid for the very same reason.

This hypothesis holds no water, (un)fortunately.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby But I have always had a distaste for the Italian people in general.

Difficult not to notice

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