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| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
knowing logic and live quite well... I second L4C's opinion here. Logic is rather poor because they never have taken the time to re-design those arpeggio, chord and other elements living in the ruins of the environment. In fact the whole environment should be easier to use now, and it's the perfect opposite. So you're constantly fighting against the limitations of logic, but in a way it also serves you as you dig deeper.
What's missing in logic anno 2011: destructive audio-editing with plugins (an old request from 2002 but I gave up), better environment tools, better keyboard "gestures": arp, chord, pitch, velocity other than the environment blocks. And now also lacking the pitch on audio tracks alongside with the flex time engine.
I use Logic though, been using it since 1998 and after a pause in 2007 I got back to it a year later.
I went for ableton live in 2005 which I still use for quick productions, remixes and shows of all kinds, but felt terrible with its limitations when trying to make music with people who rely on sheet music. Plus the midi editing functions AND the nonsense of anti-ergonomics when it comes to step recording make it poor for midi after all.
Their built-in eq and compressor sound like crap too, let's face it. Also missing in ableton is a spot on audio edition like the one in logic with basic functions such as fade in and out, gain. Ok all of that is there, but it's realtime and taxes cpu for nothing. Plus I like low level editing of files. The ones doing timestretch bit by bit back in the good old years know why :-)
Meanwhile there's one sequencer that might soon overwhelm all the others if they keep making it better at that tempo, that's NI's Maschine. Believe it or not, but fact is that they're pushing it forward by implementing everything I'd expect from logic or live for beat and electronic. What it's missing is ableton like timestrech but oh well... Anyway, it's too early, but it looks like we're having a strong combo by using maschine inside logic, which is what I do today.
L4C might be right, if logic X is garbage, it's time for a change, and the only sequencer that boasts all those features, although I don't like it, is cubase. Who knows, after all... |
I hear you about the environment, but I think rather than trying to improve it, they should dump it all together - it is just a relic from a time when it was actually needed and there's so many other and better ways they could implement the same things now (like midi plugins in the signal chain in the mixer etc).
I think there's always a "grass is greener" feeling but I have an engineers brain, and put simply logic is the most logical to me. Sure EXS and ultrabeat haven't quite gelled with me, but they're plugs not he platform itself and given that the included logic plugs are simply outstanding, I can't really complain.
I think those slating logic for midi aren't doing it right - logic by far has the best midi and audio implementation of all the major daws I've tried. I would also say it's probably the most stable. The only crashes I've had have been from buggy 3rd party plugins, which have all been fixed asap by the manufacturer (maybe with the exception of NI).
I've tried Live a good few times and the advantages were so badly outweighed by the negatives and limitations it could never be anything more than a sketchpad for ideas for me.
The only thing I may end up switching to is native Pro Toools - it would save me a fair bit of hassle having to jump between the two but I also have a love/hate relationship with PTHD (ilok, routing, interface etc), so not quite sure I want to take the full leap.
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