ARM (well, not completely, yet) - supposedly windows 8 has it covered though.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I could be wrong, but I think that these developers who are charging an arm and a leg for their software are pretty stupid because: (1) it's hard to be considered "elite" in the software world when the best products are merely emulations of hardware and/or only marginally better than something costing a fraction, and (2) the market for these expensive products (e.g., bigger studios and a handful of hobbyists) is pretty small -

Yes, this is what I was thinking.

I saw an add for some filter the other day and the price was £200, and I just cannot see many people forking that out for such a limited device. There may be some slight audio USP, but it just wont be worth the extra $$$

This lead me to wondering how the heck such firms are going to survive as thier model seems so out of step with what consumers want and expect.

I heard a cracked SSL full suite recently, £1000 worth, and honestly I think it's worth about £195 the lot. Sure it sounded ok, but nothing out the ordinary. The verb I think goes for about £200 and it was just very average at best.

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Originally posted by cl0ckw3rk New OS doesn't support it? Where would you get such a silly notion.

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I'm an OS/BIOS developer. I am en route to ruin everyone's life soon enough.

Although many platforms will move to a UEFI foundation in the next few years, you're always going to have your legacy x86-based systems floating about. They've been around too long to get weened out, even if industry says it plans to. They'll be supported for a long time.

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i thought most daws had everything u need included? the rest is up to the person imo.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Yes, this is what I was thinking. I saw an add for some filter the other day and the price was £200, and I just cannot see many people forking that out for such a limited device. There may be some slight audio USP, but it just wont be worth the extra $$$ This lead me to wondering how the heck such firms are going to survive as thier model seems so out of step with what consumers want and expect. I heard a cracked SSL full suite recently, £1000 worth, and honestly I think it's worth about £195 the lot. Sure it sounded ok, but nothing out the ordinary. The verb I think goes for about £200 and it was just very average at best.

I think you have to look at your own situation as an amateur producer and accept that some products are aimed at professionals. The SSL plugins are probably the closet you will get to their digital console dsp. Not sure if it is a direct port but the price is far from ridiculous. And their plugins sound great. The only thing that bugs me is that they limit your plugin to only 1 computer. That is quite annoying. I think 2 computers should be the minimum as most people run 2 computers these days.

If 200 is alot for you , use free plugins. don't know what else to say.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney If 200 is alot for you , use free plugins. don't know what else to say.

A good many software music products are over priced, tis nothing to do with being out of range for me. I have an investors mentality and don't like waste or unjustified expense.

The SSL verb is worse that cubase revernce, the SSL Drumstrip is nothing I cant emulate in cubase.

By all means have a different opine, but this has nothing to do with my pockets and everything to do with pricing and value. I'll bet a fair few developers will be shutting shop or continuing and expanding upon discounting.

WAVES to my mind was always a price joke. I'd spend £1000 on 2 nights in Amanpulo but not on a bit of software like that personaly.

I dont have Ipad either - all a bit gimmicky for me really, maybe I'm wierd, I just dont like lining up like a fashion robot and sucking designer cock, that why I'd never wear designer clothes

Who wants to make the Gucci family rich? I go out my way not to buy the latest fads.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler WAVES to my mind was always a price joke.

Maybe, but you have to remember that they were priced relative to what people would pay for them, and that was during a time of economic prosperity and customers felt comfortable spending beyond our means. Times have changed and Waves is finally realizing it.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I dont have Ipad either - all a bit gimmicky for me really, maybe I'm wierd, I just dont like lining up like a fashion robot and sucking designer cock,

Not to get too far OT here, but iPads balance out the gimmicky stuff with useful tools. Calling it a fashion statement is really missing the point - it's the new generation laptop, but even more portable and immediate. And, it's only going to improve.

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i think you have a skewed sense of what is good , and what isn't.The ipad is far from a gimmick but I doubt you own one which would explain alot about how you form your opinions. SSL is not known for their reverb. Their compressors on the other hand are not only cheaper than say UAD but arguably better. ANd the reverb doesn't cost 200 pounds. And the reverb sounds good. I suppose someone that uses cracks probably doesn't have much in terms of anything including monitoring so I don't expect you to have an opinion unbiased by shitting signal chain and overall bad taste taking your last few mixes into account.

In regards to approaching things as an investor, it is music equipment. Probably the worst investment one can make if you look at your net return on dollar spent. So not really sure how you manage that without swimming in a sea of idiocy.

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Well, I think software is actually pretty cheap. A good guitar costs more than a good VST instrument.

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I think more so than ever we're seeing a shift in the way software is sold and priced.

literally everyday, another software supplier has some kind of fire/name your/super-discounted/all-in-one/BOGOF sale.

The big manufacturers are being forced to bring prices down and the little ones are the people applying the pressure.

Shit I remember when some of the waves bundles cost £6000, and that wasn't even the top bundle. Granted they were great, especially for the time, but that was more than a top spec studio grade PC and audio interface cost you then.

I think part of it is that a lot of things hve gone native - there's no longer that pressure to have to invest in very expensive hardware to get premium quality, and that combined with smaller, lesser known software suppliers coming out with incredibly good an low priced plugs, has forced what we're seeing now.

Think about how much it has changed - my mate, back in the mid 90's, used to have the only mobile protools rig in Europe - it did 16 channels and cost £200,000 and he made an absolute fortune renting that thing out to studios/live venues that needed protools for short period. 6 years later he couldn't give the thing away for free.

Technology changes, and prices get lower - you used to need to spend $20k minimum to have a chance of making a decent EDM track.

Now, a $500 PC and a bunch of free software will yield the same results.

Example? Daniel Beddingfields "Gotta Get through this" was made in Reason 1, with a bunch of free plugs and cheap mic (£100).
It went to no1 twice in the UK, and No.10 in the states, and was nominated for a grammy.

I knew I shouldn't have sold that cvnt that mic. I sold his sister all her kit as well (sorry guys )

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Technology changes, and prices get lower - you used to need to spend $20k minimum to have a chance of making a decent EDM track.

No shit

Have you seen the Fairlight app?

I mean, I actually used one of those things in a studio in about '88 and it was about $30k at the time. Even the Emulator 2 that I used in a few tracks was about $5k's worth as it had a CD-ROM attached....in 1988!!

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