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Originally posted by nefardec @TastyboA - yeah but honestly how often are the conversations on forums like this actually substantive? i don't know I feel like the world's a-changin'.

True enough, many COR threads and even a lot of MD could easily be substituted with Facebook or something. But I can't imagine the better production discussions, or those long conceptual MD discussions, happening anywhere else but a forum.

And the alts would definitely be missed, lol.

In a way forums are kind of anarchic, in that the tone, topic, and level of a thread often branches off to become very different from what it originally was. But I almost never see that happen with blogs, for example. That's another thing I like about the forum environment.

I only browse WAV forums, or at least 320k.



192k forums are for noobs.

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Originally posted by Vector A True enough, many COR threads and even a lot of MD could easily be substituted with Facebook or something. But I can't imagine the better production discussions, or those long conceptual MD discussions, happening anywhere else but a forum. And the alts would definitely be missed, lol. In a way forums are kind of anarchic, in that the tone, topic, and level of a thread often branches off to become very different from what it originally was. But I almost never see that happen with blogs, for example. That's another thing I like about the forum environment.

well im not really talking about blogs, but rather something more like long facebook comment threads. or google wave, without all of the bullshit. those tend to be super anarchic. i mean it could be presented in a way thats more like a conversation and less like an authoritative blog 'article'.

just imagine something like this forum but with instantaneous forum actions and an inline interface.

forums have their place maybe in reasoned discussion and help/support.


it would be kind of how facebook used to be, with closed networks. my guess is this is kind of how diaspora will act. there needs to be like a subcultural alternative to facebook that updates where forums have been for too long. perhaps there would be both conversational type text exchanges, and also more reasoned point/counterpoint type exchanges facilitated. it needs to be a platform so you can aggregate your forum threads across multiple networks too.

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Also, I don't think forum discussion is going the way of the dinosaur. Consider the ongoing success of Reddit, which is more or less a gigantic, extensively subdivided forum.

yeah i guess i'm thinking something halfway between reddit and facebook that is subscription/network based, and anonymous. reddit is like usenet 2.0, i'm thinking 3.0.


my first experience with the internet were in fact usenet groups. i thought it was the coolest thing ever. i liked being part of a basically secret or separate cyber community. forums were similar - they are sometimes like these vibrant and thriving secret communities within the woodwork.

You mean subscription in terms of subscribing to threads? Or to the service as a whole?

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Originally posted by Vector A You mean subscription in terms of subscribing to threads? Or to the service as a whole?

subscription to networks - hubs. i'm thinking like one big open source platform that is distributed and decentralized so as to allow many separate networks (like DC++, usenet, etc) kind of like individual usenet subscriptions that all use the same protocol.


i mean of course, like on facebook if you participate in threads itd probably notify you whenever someone added to your thread, so there's that kind of subscription as well.


isn't this what diaspora is trying to do? or did they go a different direction? diaspora sounds just like google+ with its circles, but they just call them 'aspects'.

I think the problem with the 'circles' approach is that it doesnt create a sense of community. I like that forums are a cyber-space for community, almost sequestered from the rest of the internet.

It could also be like Google+ but instead of adding people to your circles, an individual-based approach, you subscribe to circles and automatically get to read stuff from everyone who has subscribed to the circle.

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I guess I don't really see the virtue of subscription (to a group or network, I mean), except for those groups that would like to keep the general public from reading. What would be the advantage?

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Originally posted by Vector A I guess I don't really see the virtue of subscription, except for those groups that would like to keep the general public from reading. What would be the advantage?

community. the same reason we don't all just abandon tranceaddict for facebook


let's not call it 'subscription' since that term is loaded with regard to forums.

how about simply 'membership' to a hub or node. then within each hub or node there is a thread tree. all of these memberships then can be aggregated into a 'reader' desktop/mobile/web app that is the next-gen usenet reader.

Able to see who you're talking to realtime would be nice. Now you can see if someone is online, but that can be everywhere on TA. Seeing who's there in a thread would make it more like a normal conversation.

(using the KAD network also is cool)

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Able to see who you're talking to realtime would be nice. Now you can see if someone is online, but that can be everywhere on TA. Seeing who's there in a thread would make it more like a normal conversation. (using the KAD network also is cool)

yeah im thinking something more accessible using http

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Originally posted by nefardec i've been thinking about this - are there any forums (by that i mean with the category list and list of threads layout) that allow asychnronous posting of content? imagine how crazy it'd be if threads on forums like this were updated in real time like something halfway between a group chat conversation and what most 'forums' are currently. such an outdated mode of communication.

That would definitely be possible with something like ajax

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