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| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
When I said virtually non-existent, it was implied that of course there were still plenty in pro-grade but not really in consumer which is where the money is. You think giant corporations give a shit about their long term customers? They do but only to a degree. It's a line that isn't selling well in the consumer market, so I can see the rumours flying about a cut.
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Corporations do and they don't - it specifically depends on their business model. Some brands make products with an emphasis on longevity, and a premium is worked in to the sale price. I believe this to be a factor with the mac pros (and to some extent with most of the higher priced macs) as nearly every person and business I know hangs on to them longer than they do other computers or electronics. This is reinforced by the fact Apple puts a fair effort in to maintaining legacy compatibility (technology allowing, like the G5 to intel jump) and that the more expensive Apple products are built to, and use materials, that last.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Not really. There are plenty of great quality cases made from aluminium and sound-proofing is easily done. I have a Lian-Li case at the moment that has extremely good build quality and customisability, for only a couple of hundred bucks. Had I wanted a silent case, that would not have been an issue to find a good one. Also looks? What? The Mac Pros are fucking horrendous!
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I hear this all the time but it's just not true IMO. The cases just look tinny and cheap with gay LEDs or try to do the monolith look like matt black surfaces. Not original or particularly good looking.
Even that said, just look at the new Lian Li XBOX case - it's a low rent, tacky rip off of the Mac pro made out of cheap materials.
Who said anything about silent case? The mac pro happen to be very quiet but the thing has vents all over it so it's not a design factor as such. And yes, seeing I used to Manage Carillon Computers, the first commercially available silent/Audio PC brand, I am aware that silent cases exist 
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
The parts? They are all the same, same factories same everything. Where have you been living over the last decade? It's just that Apple charges you a premium for absolutely no reason other than they can. Stability comes primarily from OSX, not from the parts. The only advantage Apple has is the low amount of different configurations which makes it easier to code a more stable OS.
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But this is where your logic is wrong - with Mac, you can't separate the OS from the Hardware. That's the entire point with apple.
The components may be the same, but the stability come from the fact the OS only has to factor a very small range of specifically chosen components, and does not have to be all things to all manufacturers at once, like with windows. Essentially the chances for conflicts, either between hardware and hardware and/or software is massively reduced as they are building for the their choice of hardware and software at the same time. That's why macs are more stable.
I already said that if this was like for like (windows for windows) then it's a completely different story, but all apple products are made for a integrated user interface and hardware experience. If you don't get that then you really don't understand their business model or products at all.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
As has been said, Laptops are where Apple is strong and it's their bread and butter. Their desktops are becoming obsolete in the grand scheme of things. |
I agree, and I've always said that the Mac Pros are the worst value product in terms of performance vs cost that apple make.
With laptops becoming as powerful as desktops and small form factor drives becoming larger, there's less and less need for desktops as a concept. Even if you want a desktop based computer with a larger screen you can always add another screen or get an Imac (conversely the best value Mac that apple sell).
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