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Originally posted by saluyamo Techno=Bad Sam Cooke=Good

this is an interesting analogy. sam cooke is a legendary soul artist, while techno can sound superficial and spineless. But of course there's techno tracks with abundant depth to them. they're the reasons why the word techno is an intelligent term and shouldn't be degraded. it's funny how the famous rapper from detroit said nobody listens to techno when the very own city he's from is famous for the same music.




now this is a track by none other than Dalek, and based on the song title, he has a strong belief in atheism. I'm not sure how this can encourage, uplift, or inspire someone to accomplish something in any way, shape, or form. I'm not judging his intentions when he made this track but to me, it sounds soulless and is in need of a remixing deity.

EddieZilker asked in another thread what constitutes soul. I'm not saying my definition is law, but the track needs to not only move the body, but also move the heart. a lot those soulless tracks can move the body only for the druggy to collapse while the paramedics are forced to clear the floor. then the nightclub is forced to shut down.


yeah Corvin Dalek, if you're reading this, Im sorry for singling out your track.

I think if you enjoy listening to a certain type of music, it shouldn't fucking matter if it has soul or not. I don't think people need to be subconsciously questioning themselves how soulful the music they are hearing is.

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this is a track by none other than Dalek, and based on the song title, he has a strong belief in atheism. I'm not sure how this can encourage, uplift, or inspire someone to accomplish something in any way, shape, or form. I'm not judging his intentions when he made this track but to me, it sounds soulless and is in need of a remixing deity.

Unless the musician themselves say that their music is to inspire/uplift etc why does it need to do those things?

i don't think you've listened to enough sets. putting tracks together in a set requiers you to juxtapose all kinds of sounds. that corvin dalek track could be made to sound crazy with the right placement, with some uplifting stuff coming a few tracks later.

one of the problems these days is that everyone wants soul, and sooner or later that means filling your tracks with so much "fullness" or "wholeness" that there is no space to breath. commercial hiphop releases are sounding like ambient music. and trance. and house. and industrial. every damn genre wants youto "float" with it on soulful, joyous waves.

if you're looking for the difference between good and bad music, you wont find it in "soul".

Last edited by pozz on Nov-05-2011 at 15:14

When Matt says "soul", he means "melody".

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another thing: trance and techno were always criticized for having no soul. for being repetitive, soulless tripe.

that's not how trance works: you headnod like a fool until you reach hypnosis or transcendence and there's where you find your soul -- happend to me so many times at home or on the dancefloor. it's to do with a way of listening that many have to learn, and that's pretty difficult when you grow up on pop music, the epitome of "soul" and goddamn joyous feelings. trance and techno and house are (were, really) the new tribal music.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity EddieZilker asked in another thread what constitutes soul. I'm not saying my definition is law, but the track needs to not only move the body, but also move the heart. a lot those soulless tracks can move the body only for the druggy to collapse while the paramedics are forced to clear the floor. then the nightclub is forced to shut down.

In other words, it's a nebulously defined ideal which is measured subjectively and is not a condition any two people could definitely agree is present.








Thanks for clearing that up.

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Originally posted by Mattinsanity if people want to enjoy life via music, soulful music is required. I'm not saying soulful as in a actual genre if there is one, but I'm using that as a proper adjective. even if brainless music sounds good, if it's overbearing, then it could lessen your morals and make you think you need some stupid chemicals to enjoy it. I'm not going to single out any artist or track, but if it goes BOOM BOOM BOOM and has no conscience, then it should be avoided in my opinion. I'm not surprised that my last mix, a tribal house mix got 0 replies. I'm not here to promote that - I'm just ok that no one gave a rat's ass about that mix. tribal house has decent music, but in my case, it didn't benefit my soul whatsoever. now I understand that the neighbours are justified when they get angry about nonsensical, crazy music.

Sometimes likes this i just wished you could just shut up! Stop trolling and make threads that have soul and not useless threads like this.