From about the 2:10 minute mark to around 2:30, the track goes from a straight 16th note feel to a swung 16th note feel and the change is gradual (listen to the divisions). So, yes, he is clearly automating the swing IMO.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney the meter is conflated at the beginning because you don't have that kick. But listen to when the kick is there, same pattern. If one was to notate this, you wouldn't change meters. Well not in this instance.

So essentially I erroneously counted the hyper-meter, ignoring the dominance of the kick to come to the wrong conclusion. And of course, what pisses me off is that once you explain it, I can fucking well hear it.





I will now indulge in self-soothing fantasy by imagining you tinkling away using Garage Band as your primary DAW on your Celeron powered lap-top.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Why am I counting six beats in that beginning loop?

The same reason I was originally counting it in 3/4. Without the kick to anchor it, the accents can throw you off.

edit: I see that I'm like 10 minutes behind, as usual.

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the track is in 4/4

the beginning is in 4/4. The same material is playing when the kick comes in. Nothing has changed/

I suppose there is about 3 seconds where you get a distortion of the triplet which would be like pushing the swing knob. I wouldn't say it is gradual. It isn't automated. The guy probably applied a different swing quantize for each quarter note. But if you were to look at his daw when he was making this , he was using 2 grids, one for triplets, one for 16th notes. When the transition is occurring, you aren't getting triplets anymore. He is using the 16th note grid and using quantization presets. I suppose I should of assumed people here get confused when something is not hard quantized. Oh nos, it isn't fallling on da beats. WWTD. what would tiesto do.

Either way , he used enough terms in my opinion to warrant an idiot cookie because it is clearly a lack of using google. He knows the terminology. He has the tools to google them. And i'm pretty certain he has 10 minutes to mess with his daw to figure this out.

Meters do not swing. They do not can not morph into another. You are in one, you are in both depending on your point of reference, but you don't transform into one. They are static. Time signatures unlike betterflies do not morph, evolve or mutate.

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Nov-09-2011 at 19:11

Perhaps my description in words of what I was hearing in the song did not accurately reflect what I was thinking in my head, this may also be why a forum/google search did not yield the correct answer to my question either.
I still do not think the question warranted a dick swinging contest, but I do appreciate the discussion afterwards. All I was looking for was a few suggestions.
Thank you for your time.

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Originally posted by DJ Roco The technical explanation of the musical complexities of a clean time transition from triplet meter to duplet meter madates a significantly better answer...

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Originally posted by DJ Roco please vacate this particular thread

please discontinue the excessive grandiloquence, good sir.

despite l4c's shitty response he does have a point, you're asking how to do something that's pretty simple and the fact that you couldn't figure it out on your own does say quite a bit about your work ethic. everyone here who's capable of making anything other than unfiltered garbage worked their asses off to get where they are, and having people ask questions like these is frustrating to those who have done far more difficult things on their own.

that could have been explained to you from the beginning, in a more civil manner, but oh well. live and learn I guess.

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Originally posted by Kysora despite l4c's shitty response he does have a point, you're asking how to do something that's pretty simple and the fact that you couldn't figure it out on your own does say quite a bit about your work ethic. everyone here who's capable of making anything other than unfiltered garbage worked their asses off to get where they are, and having people ask questions like these is frustrating to those who have done far more difficult things on their own.

I disagree. It was a fair question and I don't think that most people here could have answered it. Let's be honest, most electronica producers struggle with understanding musical concepts. They shouldn't be afraid to ask a simple question for fear of being lambasted by someone who has spent the better part of his life studying music. I subscribe to the "only stupid questions are the unasked ones" mindset. Also, as we all know, the Internet is full of misinformation, so a Google search is not always the most reliable way of getting answers. This forum has gotten so lame that half the threads here don't even get an on-topic response most of the time and just trail off into flamewars.

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I just don't get what is so hard. There is a tutorial on how to do anything on youtube. People need to just figure shit out. Instead, you get people that hear something , and then ask how to do it. These sorts of people irritate me. If you asked me this in real life, my answer would be , pretend you have a gun to your head, the person is going to shoot you if you don't figure it out. You have 30 minuites. You can't ask anyone how to do it. On your mark get set .....

people just need everything handed to them in a gift basket. Not to mention the guy has never posted on here before. EDM producers are like little babies. GIMME GIMME GIMME. The scene has been idiot proofed to the point that you can just use loops and have a track released and make a hit. i mean it doesn't get much lamer than that.

granted looking back, the concept of shifting the swing is something I did not catch in the original question. So I was really a dick and I apologize. But when i am a dick, i try to at least make it clever that we can all laugh with or at me. So there you go. I apologize

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You know l4c, you are the exact reason I dont post on these boards. Anytime I see a response from you [learning or not] I leave the post.
You obviously know what you are speaking of and people listen to you when you are constructive,composed and informative.
This guy did NOT come on here asking YOU specifically. This is an open forum and YOU did not have to respond.
Instead, you decided to make someone feel inferior, as you do in almost all your responses.
People from all walks and experience come here. Just because you have the talent and the ability doesnt mean others have your gift. Not to say they shouldnt do research but what if this is part of the research they are doing and only want to confirm? But no, you have to be a total [insert expletive here] about it.
Lighten up clooney, you take yourself way to serious. And for the love of eva mendez, if you dont have anything nice to say...dont say it at all.

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Originally posted by cryophonik They shouldn't be afraid to ask a simple question for fear of being lambasted by someone who has spent the better part of his life studying music.

oh I completely agree, I'm just trying to give a reason why l4c reacted the way he did. he wasn't being an ass for the sake of being an ass.. just tough love, I guess, it seems like most of the people here are a lot more touchy than most of the people l4c probably deals with on a professional basis. at least based on his stories.

he meets us halfway by responding in kind to legitimate questions that most people here would struggle answering.. and like beatflux said, he apologized, so there is that. don't get to see that every day.

See...what you guys are seeing when he "apologizes" is only one side and L4C knows this.
Me, I know better and wont have it.
An apology means you don't owe anybody anything. Saying "I am sorry" means you will do your best to not let it happen again the next time. It means you truly are wanting to be forgiven for an action or mistake.
Again...L4C is smarter and wont compromise his narcissistic nature.
Because the reality is, this isn't over. It will continue to happen just as it has in all other posts he has posted in. Mark my words.

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